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Transgender Law Making Strides
FoxNews.com ^ | August 06, 2002 | Kelley Beaucar Vlahos

Posted on 08/07/2002 9:09:16 AM PDT by gubamyster

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:34:19 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: homosexual; insanity; pervert; sasu; transgender
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To: JMJ333
For a man to turn into a woman the doctor would have to excavate a vagina.

Wouldn't they also have to rotate the pelvis? I thought the position of the male and female pelvises were different.

By the way, didn't see you on the other thread (and I usually notice) but we have a new BRAAD phrase. "congentially degenerate"

Feel free to use it.

Shalom.

21 posted on 08/07/2002 12:01:51 PM PDT by ArGee
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To: gubamyster
I'm going to go one further. I'm not a woman trapped in a man's body. I'm a dog trapped in a human's body.

I demand my employer let me releave myself outside on the lawn. If he gives me any truble I'm calling the APLU (That's the American Perverted Liberties Union).

Shalom.

22 posted on 08/07/2002 12:04:14 PM PDT by ArGee
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To: ArGee
Hey, yeah! Um, I'm really a Rockefeller, born into a Dakmar body. Gimme my share of the loot.
23 posted on 08/07/2002 12:14:44 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: ArGee
I'm sure they must do something to the pelvis, though wether they shorten it or rotate it I don't know. The male pelvis's bones are longer and are positioned higher, aren't they?

Seems a brutal thing to do to oneself for the sake of sexual normality, and odds are it only makes things worse.

24 posted on 08/07/2002 12:30:10 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
Seems a brutal thing to do to oneself for the sake of sexual normality, and odds are it only makes things worse.

My first indicator that these perversions are not the result of a normal mind is the amount of time these people spend thinking about sex. When heteros spend this much time thinking about sex that's sick too.

Shalom.

25 posted on 08/07/2002 12:36:19 PM PDT by ArGee
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To: JMJ333
The next in line after the transgenered is the beastials and pedophiles. Wait and see.

The is one flaw to your logic. Beastiality and pedophilia are about sexual preference towards others. Transgender does NOT in any way deal with sexual preference towards other.

Transgender deals with a person's personality/deep-intergraded-instinct conflicting their physical gender.

I read about this stuff about two years because I found it interesting. And there is something you might want to know.

It has been medically proven (by trial and error over the past 50 to 60 years) that shock therapy, medication, counseling (both religious and psychiatric), nor a lobotomy can remove this personality/deep-intergraded-instinct conflict.

Ultimately it comes down to quality of life and happiness.

Now tell me, are you so shallow that you want to force someone (who is transgendered) to live their entire life in misery (when there is something that can be done about it), while you live your entire life, at peace with yourself?

26 posted on 08/07/2002 12:41:04 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Now tell me, are you so shallow that you want to force someone (who is transgendered) to live their entire life in misery (when there is something that can be done about it), while you live your entire life, at peace with yourself?

I'm not sure where you read that this psychological conflict (as you call it) can not be changed, but I would suspect the source.

As Dak says, I am a Rockerfeller born into an ArGee body. Where's my dough.

OK, maybe that sounds flip. I don't mean to suggest that they are just playing games. But the solution to people in need of help is not to pronounce them normal and then let them mutilate themselves. Just as with those miners trapped in PA, when people need help you keep trying to help them until either you succeed or they die.

Shalom.

27 posted on 08/07/2002 1:07:12 PM PDT by ArGee
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Grow up, Paul. I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. If they want to have the sugery then I am not stopping them, however, your simple-minded logic that life is grand after excavating new genitals is laughable. If you think life becomes normal for them then you are sadly mistaken and know nothing about the problems involved with such complex surgey.

If you cared anything at all about these people, or had a shred of moral decency, you'd try and figure out a way to help them apart from permanatly altering their genitals. There is medical help available to deal with the brain disorder that causes this. Why not try that before you suggest them whacking off their penis and adding breasts?

You obviously didn't read very much on the subject like you say you did.

And my logic isn't flawed on beastiality and pedophilia being next. This is what the relativists in society will push to normalize. You can try and rationalize it away with your argument of "its not consensual," but it really holds no weight since amoral relativists know no standards. It is happening already in magazines like "Bizarre" where they had an ad selling shoes last year that depicted a young blond girl barely dressed with a large dog with a sado-masochistic hood on--his paw on her breast.

And soon NAMBLA will make strides, unless the people in this country turn away from the crap being forced on them and revert back to the roots of this country. I'm sure you'll find that horrifying. After all, there is nothing worse than a Christian...right?

28 posted on 08/07/2002 1:17:53 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: gubamyster
Transgender Law Making Strides

...In a lovely pair of size 18 plain black pumps.

Do I understand this correctly, someone is asking for the right to wear a dress and not be made fun of? I can't believe this is being taken so seriously.

29 posted on 08/07/2002 1:23:41 PM PDT by tcostell
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To: tcostell
Do I understand this correctly, someone is asking for the right to wear a dress and not be made fun of? I can't believe this is being taken so seriously.

Well, my wife wears dresses all the time, and if anyone wants to make fun of her then he'd have to deal with me. It would not be pleasant.

But I know what you mean, and yes. People are now demanding that their moral wrongs are human rights.

Orwell was only semi-prophetic. Big Brother's doublespeak is nothing compared to that of the perverts.

Shalom.

30 posted on 08/07/2002 1:55:20 PM PDT by ArGee
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To: JMJ333
The next in line after the transgenered is the beastials and pedophiles.

Don't forget the necrophiles! They'll soon be demanding fresh corpses.

31 posted on 08/07/2002 2:10:46 PM PDT by JimRed
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To: JimRed
eeeewwww. =(
32 posted on 08/07/2002 2:15:56 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
I must have hit a nerve to get such an outburst from you.

You like to lump everything your don't like into one category (even if they separate issues, which I pointed out in my previous post) to justify your on tastes.

And like I said before. 'Ultimately it comes down to quality of life and happiness.' Something you don't understand.

33 posted on 08/07/2002 2:40:27 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Yeah, you hit a nerve. Your post demonstrates the arrogence of know-it-alls, the total lack of any form of basic morality, and the wherewithal to understand complicated matters.

You go ahead and encourage the behavior. How tolerant and loving of you.

34 posted on 08/07/2002 2:51:05 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: ArGee
I'm not sure where you read that this psychological conflict (as you call it) can not be changed, but I would suspect the source.

I didn't get my information for one source, but from many, and they all said basically the same thing.

As Dak says, I am a Rockerfeller born into an ArGee body. Where's my dough.

(sarcasm) A rich guy in a poor guy's body. I am so sorry to hear that.(sacasm ends)

I suggest you solve your problem by getting rich the old-fashioned way; Earning it.

OK, maybe that sounds flip. I don't mean to suggest that they are just playing games. But the solution to people in need of help is not to pronounce them normal and then let them mutilate themselves. Just as with those miners trapped in PA, when people need help you keep trying to help them until either you succeed or they die.

You remind of those ‘doctors’ of three centuries ago who believed that if you literally bled someone dry that they would get healthier.

In other words, what you call help, I call harm.

35 posted on 08/07/2002 2:53:02 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: ArGee
Alert, beware ArGee, agent of the fashion police.(sarcasm)
36 posted on 08/07/2002 2:56:23 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Paul C. Jesup
You demonstrate your immaturity and lack of knowledge when you assert that excavating a vagina where there wasn't one before and acting like this would give the person ultimate happiness is ridiculous. You show how little you know. I'm sure you'll have some deeply highbrow comment to make on how wrong I am though. Whatever. This is like arguing with a highschool freshman.
37 posted on 08/07/2002 2:56:24 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
Why not try that before you suggest them whacking off their penis and adding breasts?

Wrong on both counts. Actually the truth is stranger. The breasts are grown using hormones and the penis is NOT whacked off, but inverted.

38 posted on 08/07/2002 2:59:08 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: JMJ333
I am not the one here who is acting like a child. Also, see post 38 of this thread.
39 posted on 08/07/2002 3:00:36 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Paul C. Jesup
The have to excavate a vagina. Somehow you think this is okay to do. There is no right and wrong. Everything is relative. If it feels good do it, no matter how much it deviates from normality. Go ahead and keep defending sickness as normal Paul. I understand you and realize I can't change your "anything goes" "no standards at all" attitude. So goes the libertine. See ya.
40 posted on 08/07/2002 3:02:31 PM PDT by JMJ333
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