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The Coming World War
Self | 08/05/2002 | Prysson

Posted on 08/05/2002 10:12:24 AM PDT by Prysson

The Coming World War

Many people will disagree with the assertion made by the title. War they will say is not inevitable. Unfortunately they are not looking at the facts…or at least they are not looking at the history.

1400 years ago an Islamic Empire established itself, sweeping across North Africa and into Spain and even Southern France before finally being stopped by the Franks. This clash between Islam and Western Civilization (or as some would refer to it a clash between Islam and Christendom) has not ceased since that day. Muslim incursions into Europe occurred again and again over the course of the millennium and a half that followed, and yes to be fair their were plenty of western incursion into the middle east.

This war has been ongoing and despite what some people might believe did not cease with the collapse and break up of the Ottoman empire following World War I. Contrary to popular belief the break up of the Islamic Empire did not in fact put an end to Imperial Islamic aspirations. Gahdafi, Ayatollah Khomeni, Saddam Hussein and others have all hinted at if not openly declared their intention to:

A. Establish an Islamic Empire. B. Spread that Empire to every corner of the globe.

The evidence out there is overwhelming. Just as a single example; as late as 1995 a council of more than 80 Islamic Nations gather to discuss the Islamic Conquest of Africa. Their stated objective was the total conquest of African as an Islamic continent. With Arabic as the official Language and Islam as the official religion. This council is not an anomaly neither in recent history nor in ancient history.

Since its conception Islam has attempted to spread its religion (by flame and by sword) to every corner of the globe. It is an imperative of the religion. I grow tired of people ignorant of the truth trying to tell me that Islam is a religion of Peace. I am particularly tired of people who have never read the Quran (Koran) telling me that it is a religion of peace. It is not. Their 1400 year old history of trying to conquer and convert the entire globe is proof of that. Their murderous and ceaseless attacks against western civilization are further evidence of that.

They claim that the West (lead by America) practices hegemony. That is actually very true. The west has practiced hegemony against the Islamic world for more that 1400 years. What else can you call it when for fourteen hundred years western civilization has fought off invasion after invasion. Now the west tries desperately to prevent the recreation of an Islamic Empire. Other forces at work in the Middle East try desperately to overcome this obstacle.

Why is war inevitable? For the same reason war was inevitable in Europe 1938. Because a world wanted to insist that peace was possible despite every peace of evidence that it was not. State Department type diplomats convinced their leadership that Hitler and Germany could be dealt with peacefully. That war could be averted. That violence was not necessary. What they got a war that brought them to their knees and almost destroyed them.

Today that same blindness, that same peace at all costs attitude pervades the rest of the world. Just as in 1938 the rest of the world wanted to stick its collective head in the sand and pretend that Germany was not really a threat…so to today is our world full of people who wish to stick our collective heads in the sand. We appease and prevaricate and in the end we give them time. Time to build their arsenals of weapons of mass destruction. All the while thinking that somehow we can convince these people not to use them. Somehow we can convince these people who have not ceased fighting us for fourteen hundred years to suddenly make nice. Somehow, we can convince these people whose only goal and objective is our destruction that we can live peacefully even though their very religion tells them that they must conquer us. (and don’t tell that it doesn’t because 1400 years of Islamic Conquest proves you wrong)

That is why War is inevitable. Because eventually they will have their weapons. And just as we fail to understand them and the reasons why the MUST conquer us…they too in their ignorance of us and our customs will fail to realize why they will never succeed in conquering us. That we would never let them and they will never have the power to succeed. Aided by their cultural failings that tell them that seeking peace and conciliation are weaknesses rather than a moral imperative they will see us as weak because we fail to do what we should which is ACT…and in the end that failure will cause a worse war.

Do not get me wrong. I do not intend to paint a doom and gloom picture and the destruction of the world. They are not powerful enough to defeat us, nor are they patient enough to wait until they are strong enough, before they strike. And in the end they do not understand us enough to know that they would be well advised not to. Such a war would only have one possible outcome. Their utter annihilation. It saddens me, and angers me some as well, that so many will be lost that do not need to be if we would only accept what is and what must be and strike now while we can and not wait until the inevitable explosion that is to come.


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KEYWORDS: america; culture; fundamentalism; islamic; war; west; wwiv
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1 posted on 08/05/2002 10:12:24 AM PDT by Prysson
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To: Prysson
"I grow tired of people ignorant of the truth trying to tell me that Islam is a religion of Peace"

I think that phrase just is a duplicitous tool in this war, designed to cripple accusations that we are engaging in a war on Islam, and the damage it does us is negligible. This war involves many such deceptions in order to deny or enemy assistance from sympathizers around the world who are likely to gravitate toward the underdog and view our wealth as somehow being oppressive.

We don’t need the rest of the world to defeat these facists, but we don't need them all aligned against us. Hang tough, we're just reloading…

2 posted on 08/05/2002 10:23:26 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: elfman2
bump for later reading
3 posted on 08/05/2002 10:30:04 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Prysson
Well written, I will give you a A-, :) ...just kidding, it was good and I agree with you. Religion of Peace is a sham, the sooner we as a country and the rest of western civilization admit it the better off we are. I believe that Islam in itself is Satans answer to christianity. Satan knows that he can not and will not defeat Christ, so Islam is a clever deception to drag as many poor souls to hell with him as possible. Islam is The Antichrist.
4 posted on 08/05/2002 10:30:21 AM PDT by Delbert
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To: Prysson
Islam keeps looking to the West, however, as in all scenarios of possible "wars", there is another unknown factor. That unknown is India and China, billions of people, non Islamic, and they will have something to say about the makeup of future wars.
6 posted on 08/05/2002 10:43:59 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: Prysson
They are not powerful enough to defeat us, nor are they patient enough to wait until they are strong enough, before they strike. And in the end they do not understand us enough to know that they would be well advised not to

Kind of reminds you of Larry Niven's "Kzin" or Star Trek's "Klingons" doesn't it?

7 posted on 08/05/2002 10:55:59 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: Prysson
Because a world wanted to insist that peace was possible despite every peace of evidence that it was not.

I agree with everything except this part.
Spellcheck is our enemy...

8 posted on 08/05/2002 11:10:08 AM PDT by Publius6961
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To: elfman2
We don’t need the rest of the world to defeat these facists, but we don't need them all aligned against us. Hang tough, we're just reloading…

Agreed, we don't need more enemies. However, it doesn't look much to me like we're "reloading." For starters, we are way short on personnel, but we've got a nation of 280 million. Simple (if rather difficult, politically) solution: restart the draft. Roosevelt did it in 1940, in a nation full of isolationists. And, BTW, that was an election year, the first and only time that a president was running for a third term. Despite the fact that I despise FDR, at least he did what was right then, and had the guts to stand up to his political opponents. Where is Bush on this score? (/sarcastic rhetorical question).

Another shortfall is in expendable war supplies. We are woefully short of ammunition, as well as the precision munitions that the media love so much. Where are the huge buys of ammo? Why is Israeli ammo getting VERY hard to get for us civilians, but there is no shortage of ammo or components for domestic stuff? I guess that the Israelis are a bit more worried than we are (and they have reason to be - but at least they are preparing).

Yet another shortage is in the raw materials of war, especially those that aren't available, or available enough, domestically. There haven't been any big purchases of strategic materials, or else the commodities markets would have noticed. We sold a bunch of strategic metals after the Cold War, and haven't replaced them. Where are our oil reserves (which MIGHT be necessary, since we're likely to be tangling with the people who control the spigots)?

Finally, how is industry gearing up? The short answer is that it largely isn't. Even with "primitive" WW2 weapons it required a good deal of lead time to convert peacetime factories to war production; with today's weapons the lead time is far greater. Also, we have a big shortage of skilled machinists, if not for the existing civilian economy then certainly for the demands that a war (or war mobilization) would place on the labor pool. The factories, machine tools and skilled manpower can't be ordered on the Internet - long lead times are necessary, and we haven't begun the process.

I know, I know, all the preparation is supposed to be secret - with all due respect to anyone holding that view, B$! This is an open society - there is no way to keep news of a massive buildup secret, so there isn't one. I wish that I could be more optimistic on this front, but facts prevent that. We are, to quote a former president, in deep doo-doo. And what the Hell is going to happen if China decides to take advantage of us being tied down in the Mideast?

9 posted on 08/05/2002 11:10:29 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: Prysson
Thanks for this article/opinion piece. I wonder if our politicians are aware of this. Perhaps they are, but they choose to ignore it because there aren't many votes in acting Churchillian.
10 posted on 08/05/2002 11:14:42 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: Jeff Head
Care to comment, oh oracle of Islamic and Chinese conflict?
11 posted on 08/05/2002 11:15:25 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: Prysson
How utterly silly. There were no Franks when the Islamic Empire was first established. There were Visigothic kingdoms in Spain.

But the most preposterous idea is that the Franks had anything to do with the Reconquista in Spain. That was, in fact, done by the Cornish. The Gallegos had stopped the Moslems from entering NW Spain. Later on, when the Britons were being driven out of Brittain by the Anglo-Saxon hordes, they moved back to Spain from whence their ancestors had first come in or about 700 BC. Many also went to Brittany and restarted civilization on the European mainland.

King San Cho Noe (Sancho I) established Castile and Leon. But for the Franks and their kindred, his heirs could probably have taken the whole of Europe and organized a proper campaign to drive the Moslems out of not only Spain but also North Africa, Egypt, Syria and even Turkey!

Credit should be given where due.

12 posted on 08/05/2002 11:16:01 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Prysson
"It saddens me, and angers me some as well, that so many will be lost..."

From this particular cynic's corner, the prospect doesn't sadden me. I say bring it on. Don't the enviros keep telling us there are too many people on the planet? Well I say let's blow it all up and let the survivors, if any, figure out how to start over. The enviros, what's left of them, will be happy there are far fewer people. The Libertarians will be happy there's no government. If the rest of us are lucky, no Dems/Leftists will survive. And we can all be happy there are no more taxes.

13 posted on 08/05/2002 11:19:51 AM PDT by Wolfstar
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To: muawiyah
I never said that the Reconquista of Spain had anything to do with the Franks. The initial muslim incursion into Europe however did in fact spead with little or no stop until 732 when at the battle of Tours When Charles MArtel and his FRANKS defeated the Muslims. By 756 the Islamic invaders had been completely expelled from France. Spain was another matter altogether. King Sancho I of Spain was not even born for another 400 years and had nothing to do whit stopping the initial incursion into France in 719. Next time you want to give credit where it is due make certain of your timelines...not to mention the context of teh argument you are speaking against.
14 posted on 08/05/2002 12:33:46 PM PDT by Prysson
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To: That Subliminal Kid
Just an opinionated member of this online community. Curious though. I am not certain in what context you choose to make you comment.

Do you mean "who the hell do you think you are writing a piece such as that." Do you simply mean " I am not familiar with you" If you could elaborate I might be able to better answer your inquiry.
15 posted on 08/05/2002 12:36:25 PM PDT by Prysson
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To: elfman2
I could not agree more. I just grow tired of uneducated Amercians parroting the tripe when they havent even ever read the Quran.

16 posted on 08/05/2002 12:37:31 PM PDT by Prysson
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To: Publius6961
Ack! you are so right. How embarassing for me. Sorry for the misspell. But I stand behind the sentiment.
17 posted on 08/05/2002 12:38:58 PM PDT by Prysson
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To: Ancesthntr
Oh, we have TONS of manufacturing capability. It's just all been moved to China, that's all. No problem. We'll just call our friends in China and have them build all of the munitions we need. We'll just dial them up and......strange, no answer? Well, try again later.
18 posted on 08/05/2002 12:43:36 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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To: Prysson
I usually don't give newbie vanities a second glance.

This is an exception. It's very well written, informative and highly interesting.

Most excellent job friend.

19 posted on 08/05/2002 12:52:29 PM PDT by AAABEST
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To: muawiyah
What about Charles Martel who fought the Moors at Tours in Central France? Clovis the Frankish king established France as a nation before Muhammed was born and what about Charlemagne's expedition into Spain? You need to read more history. Yes, the Visigoths were in Spain and Southern France but they didn't stop the Moors. It is true that the Christians in their northern mountain strongholds did hold the line but to call them Cornish is absurd. They were a mixture of Galicians, Asturians, Cantabrians and Basques. No true scholar refers to them as Cornish.
20 posted on 08/05/2002 1:00:30 PM PDT by Eternal_Bear
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