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To: Prysson
How utterly silly. There were no Franks when the Islamic Empire was first established. There were Visigothic kingdoms in Spain.

But the most preposterous idea is that the Franks had anything to do with the Reconquista in Spain. That was, in fact, done by the Cornish. The Gallegos had stopped the Moslems from entering NW Spain. Later on, when the Britons were being driven out of Brittain by the Anglo-Saxon hordes, they moved back to Spain from whence their ancestors had first come in or about 700 BC. Many also went to Brittany and restarted civilization on the European mainland.

King San Cho Noe (Sancho I) established Castile and Leon. But for the Franks and their kindred, his heirs could probably have taken the whole of Europe and organized a proper campaign to drive the Moslems out of not only Spain but also North Africa, Egypt, Syria and even Turkey!

Credit should be given where due.

12 posted on 08/05/2002 11:16:01 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
I never said that the Reconquista of Spain had anything to do with the Franks. The initial muslim incursion into Europe however did in fact spead with little or no stop until 732 when at the battle of Tours When Charles MArtel and his FRANKS defeated the Muslims. By 756 the Islamic invaders had been completely expelled from France. Spain was another matter altogether. King Sancho I of Spain was not even born for another 400 years and had nothing to do whit stopping the initial incursion into France in 719. Next time you want to give credit where it is due make certain of your timelines...not to mention the context of teh argument you are speaking against.
14 posted on 08/05/2002 12:33:46 PM PDT by Prysson
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To: muawiyah
What about Charles Martel who fought the Moors at Tours in Central France? Clovis the Frankish king established France as a nation before Muhammed was born and what about Charlemagne's expedition into Spain? You need to read more history. Yes, the Visigoths were in Spain and Southern France but they didn't stop the Moors. It is true that the Christians in their northern mountain strongholds did hold the line but to call them Cornish is absurd. They were a mixture of Galicians, Asturians, Cantabrians and Basques. No true scholar refers to them as Cornish.
20 posted on 08/05/2002 1:00:30 PM PDT by Eternal_Bear
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