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Thinking Outloud: How Long Can Free Speech Last?
8/2/02 | SamsBees

Posted on 08/03/2002 12:05:41 PM PDT by SamBees

Rush always says "words mean things". We know that very well in this electronic forum. Words can inspire others to act in a physical response to the emotions brought about by reading the thoughts of another person.

So, Rush is right, words are powerful, and it is because they have power that Hillary once said that something was going to have to be done about the excessive freedom the net offers those who are engauged in anti-government free speech.

In the political realm, free speech is most vital, so said our founding fathers. We must be able to talk about our elected officials even if they don't like it, and you know that they do not want us spreading around information about them, their votes, or their adulterous lifestyles, in the case of Comrade Clinton.

Since 9/11/02, government has been having a party. Never before in the history of America has government be given such a free reign over the country. The Patriot Act, and other similar pieces of legislation have allowed government officials to spy on US citizens. It is very likely that every word you say on the telephone, and ever word you type in an email, or anywhere else is being processed by some alphabet agency that is looking for certain phrases, or key words.

We are living in a time where we've placed incredible trust in our federal government. We are told that thought they've been given all kinds of new power, we can trust them not to abuse it. But, that is today, or right now, maybe they've already begun to misuse that power, we have no idea.

Your words mean things, rmemeber? You have power because you can say what you think. That kind of power is a threat. You could easily inpire others to turn against a government program, or official. You, a single person in a country of many millions, could bring down a president. Ask Matt Drudge about how its done. The clinton admin. wanted to open up the Internet, formerly a communications medium used for research between Universities, scientists, and government agencies. It was this very medium combined with Free Speech, and one Mr. Matt Drudge that began the process that led to the eventual impeachment of bill clinton.

As we drift away from liberty-no one really talks about increasing our freedoms, nor is there serious conversation about limiting the power of government to those contraints listed in our wonderful Constitution, won't we someday accept the following words, "For the good of the country....Free Speech can no longer be as free"?

We've empowered government in ways government only dreamed of in decades past. Government officials can and probably already do monitor your every word in any electronic medium in which you speak. Maybe it won't be this administration, and maybe we are not far enough down the brainwash road to accept the above statement, but the day is coming when, "For the good of the country", your speech will be limited by government.

Many of you here are not at all surprised by this suggestion. You see where we are headed as a country. You know that liberty is an anathema to government, and the government has gained the upper hand over "We the People". Yes, we live in the era of not big government, but Monsterous Government power. Words are powerful. Government wants all power.


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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
I found this while a- googling:

It won’t be long, historically speaking, before spectrum auctions may become technologically obsolete, economically inefficient, and legally unconstitutional.

And it may not be long before a new form of frequency allocation may emerge where spectrum use does not require any license; when information traverses the ether as flexibly as an airplane in the sky instead of being straight-jacketed into a single frequency and routed like a train on a track; and where congestion is avoided not by the exclusivity of ownership but by access charges that vary with congestion, with the information itself often paying for access with tokens it carries along.

source

41 posted on 08/07/2002 11:32:30 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: secretagent
"We Don't Want Our DTV" is an editorial page signed opinion in The Wall Street Journal today.

Sounds like TV is sitting on 402 MHz of unused bandwidth, trying to keep wireless out of it more or less like the dog in the manger.

I think the FCC is seriously out of whack. When you seriously reflect on what broadcast does to our culture . . . we-the-people can make good use of two-way wireless, but have no need of 402 MHz of additional read-only claptrap.

42 posted on 08/08/2002 6:10:41 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: aSkeptic
Echleon is real. Everything you say via the net, and on most phone systems is available to the NSA.

With voice recognition, anytime you use a phone, your location can be determined.

All cell phones will be required to contain GPS chips within 2 years.

Government is clamping down.

43 posted on 08/09/2002 11:03:21 AM PDT by SamBees
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To: Roscoe; secretagent
"plausible alternatives--thanks"

No thanks. I see our leading 'All power to the State' poster has proposals for micro-managing the communication industry.

Roscoe, you should consider applying for a 'minimum wattage' license; you would almost certainly qualify.
44 posted on 08/09/2002 11:19:33 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: SamBees
I wonder how effective it would be
45 posted on 08/09/2002 11:55:44 AM PDT by aSkeptic
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To: headsonpikes
The state must favor someone - no way around it as long as the F.C.C. licenses spectra chunks. Roscoe's proposals seem like they would break up some of the state enabled corporate oligarchy we have.
46 posted on 08/09/2002 12:30:06 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: secretagent
Obvious solution: Bag the FCC.
It's just another socialist power-trip.

Luckily, Socialism is a religion of peace.
47 posted on 08/09/2002 12:35:48 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
Micro-managing? Seems more like micro-thinking on your part.
48 posted on 08/09/2002 2:12:16 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
There is no shortage of spectrum band-width; there is a surplus of Socialism in the FCC.

Considering the FCC, the Sugar Quotas, etc.; there is certainly NO shortage of socialism in the USA.

A few pirate radio stations would be a fine addition to the American heritage of sticking a thumb in the eye of Authority.

Oops! I guess that would smart, eh, Roscoe?
49 posted on 08/09/2002 2:33:33 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
I'd like to think we wouldn't need the F.C.C. to make the airwaves useable, but I don't know of any broadcast scheme that could survive deliberate jamming. So I conclude we need the government to assign and enforce property rights in the spectra.

Assuming permanent government entanglement, then I wonder how best to allot bands.

Great if we don't need the government here - but I don't see how it would work.
50 posted on 08/09/2002 4:33:18 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: secretagent
'Homesteading' principle with protections by government of those rights.

Deliberate jamming would be like arson.

There is NO shortage of bandwidth. Only the state can create 'shortages' of bandwidth.
51 posted on 08/09/2002 5:09:41 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
I probably need to read more about this. If you have a link, I'll take a look.
52 posted on 08/09/2002 8:31:34 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: headsonpikes
There is no shortage of spectrum band-width

Really? Try applying for a license in Los Angeles.

53 posted on 08/10/2002 12:08:38 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: aSkeptic
Don't Vote, Don't Pay Taxes, Don't Support Unjust Laws: The State is your Enemy
54 posted on 08/10/2002 12:49:33 AM PDT by SamBees
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To: secretagent; Roscoe
Sorry; no link re bandwidth info. I'm recalling an article I read some time ago, perhaps in Reason magazine.

Of course there's a 'shortage' in L.A., it's a huge, diverse market. But radios can easily be manufactured to allow more FM stations, for instance. And low-power AM stations could be thick as hair on a dog if folks wanted them. Television, of course, has been radically transformed by cable and satellite transmission.

This reality never impinges on the dead certainty of lawyers and bureaucrats that they should control access to these 'strategic' media. It is the political decisions by these 'disinterested' players which creates artificial 'shortages' of frequencies available for use.

Then comes the lobbying; then comes the corruption; but hey--it's 'the People's business' as usual.

Luckily for us all, Socialism is a Religion of Peace. ;^)
55 posted on 08/11/2002 10:30:29 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
And low-power AM stations could be thick as hair on a dog if folks wanted them.

Not under current FCC regulations. And when I suggested lower maximum powers in major markets, you called it micro-managing.

Doublethink.

56 posted on 08/11/2002 11:02:42 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Solution: Get rid of FCC regulations AND regulators. Geez.
57 posted on 08/11/2002 11:33:14 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
Get rid of FCC regulations

What about your desired "homesteading" regulations?

58 posted on 08/11/2002 11:37:25 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
A chapter of ordinary property law. No need for FCC.
59 posted on 08/11/2002 11:50:45 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
A chapter of ordinary property law.

A spoonful of ignorance.

Give me an example, in even the most general terms, of how such a "homestead" would be filed, who it would be filed with and what it might say.

I doubt you're up to the task but in case you attempt it, please don't forget that a claim for property needs to clearly describe exactly what is being claimed.

60 posted on 08/11/2002 11:59:46 AM PDT by Roscoe
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