Posted on 08/03/2002 10:16:57 AM PDT by justshe
(Regarding the answer to stopping the 'in-house wars')
The answer is for everyone to just stop doing it.
I know that is hard for some, because things have gotten to the point where now things are personal. There are wounds in some cases, and in others there is anger. Makes it really hard for people to stand down. Unfortunately, I am pretty sure it has been planned this way.
Earlier tonight thanks to a tip from someone who I wish I had listened to earlier, we discovered someone who had at least 8 different accounts. One bashed Horowitz, Swaggert, and Art Bell. Another bashed Keyes. Another posted as a rabid Keyester. Another posted as a Klayman basher. Several seemed to have a thing for mocking Registered.
What was the guy's game? Here is a graphic and caption off of the profile of one of them:
Yes, he wanted to get people fighting to where they would walk away.
One of this guy's incarnations posted a piece or two from anarchist website strike-the-root, which to me hints to what his ideology is. It would also explain why he had a knack for going after the DC chapter folks. I recall nrkybill (anarchy Bill) had some issues with you all. They are not the same people, I don't think, but if their ideology is the same and their main targets are the same, then it is possible that there is some connection.
Obviously, the goal is to drive people away. This is not happening on just one side, it is happening on all sides. It is a form of disruption that relies on the cover of good people engaging in flame wars with them so that the disruptors seem part of the mass rather than the agent provocatuers that they are.
There are two options, really. People can help us out in finding them by refusing to take part in the flame wars and being understanding when a person gets sent to the cooler, so that eventually the real problem children are rooted out.
And the other option is to let them win by letting them drive you away- with you being people from every single conservative faction we have. Rest assured though, if that one happens, if you make another home and it starts being successful, they will come there and do it to you there.
I've asked this before. I'll ask it again. (And this is not aimed at you, ... but at the forum). Please stop it with the personal attacks. One can have a rip-roaring take-it-to-the-mat political debate with someone without getting personal, without resorting to childish taunts, and still not have it be bland.
And the best thing that one can do otherwise is to use a little self-enforcement. A Bushie telling a Bushie to knock off the insults is going to probably work better than a Keyester telling a Bushie to knock off the insults, and vice versa.
My flame suits are back on, so everyone have at it again. But please at least think about it. Thanks, AM
In the interest of accuracy, my flying monkey comment was being offered as a pot and kettle counterpoint to an initial claim about "Bushbashers" having the highest percentage of disruptors.
The point, by implication, being that there are flying monkeys and disruptors on all sides, and none should feel complacent.
The same can be said of the abortion issue.....equally emotional..... where any modifying statement about method can be attacked as being 'pro-death,' even if it is not remotely so. (I personally have received the most ugly personal attacks on threads discussing homeschooling vs. public school education, which is not specifically related to the President in most cases.)
The answer is for us to be aware that inflammatory posts may well be insincere attempts to divide us, but it is also important for regular freepers to keep their discussions issue-oriented, and not personally attack those who disagree. (I have more than once been told "If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen" having been called a communist or a nazi, or a child abuser)
If we are all aware, however, that the problem is occurring on both sides of the fence, potentially at the instigation of an outside disruptor, and can modify our emotions, both on offense on defense, the problem might just be solved.
Sabertooth, you can call me a Bush loyalist, or a Bushbot (not Bushie, please....that's what the First Couple call each other) as long as you know that I am not blindly so, or that being one does not mean that one is incapable of thinking independently.
Registered has mocked me (and others) mercilessly - creating graphics to insult me, among other things. It's extremely difficult for me to see him as a victim (and clearly, he is the one who complained to the A/M). I am more than a little surprised that someone having "a thing for mocking Registered" would get someone accused of being an anarchist.
But if you read the moderator's comments: "...we discovered someone who had at least 8 different accounts. One bashed Horowitz, Swaggert, and Art Bell. Another bashed Keyes. Another posted as a rabid Keyester. Another posted as a Klayman basher. Several seemed to have a thing for mocking Registered."
It sounds like this person what posting simply to disrupt...No? Sounds like the moderators monitored these various accts to discover the dichotomy of the posts?
AND, speak up, when we see vicious attacks being made that do NOT further the discussion. If enough do this.....we WILL be monitoring ourselves, imo. And if it continues, ignoring the instigator of the uncivility (is that a word?) should help too, don't you think?
And behave, damn it! :-p
Your lips say no but your tongue says yes.
As the software improves, you will see more and more reasons why an action was done. For example, the new reasons why a thread was pulled is great. But, when a disruptor is nuked, everything they posted is gone. Where we need everyone's help is if a thread is deleted, and there isn't a reason for the deletion, just hit abuse, copy the link and ask. We don't read every post, or every thread, it's impossible. If the thread wasn't a disruption thread, we can restore it. The key is, most of the time, we don't know everything that was lost unless you let us know.
FREEPAKAZIS!??
You are keeping track of these additions to the dictionary, right?
How about, "BushBuckeye?"
Does your Ohio"W" really stand for "Woody Hayes?"
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