Posted on 08/03/2002 10:16:57 AM PDT by justshe
(Regarding the answer to stopping the 'in-house wars')
The answer is for everyone to just stop doing it.
I know that is hard for some, because things have gotten to the point where now things are personal. There are wounds in some cases, and in others there is anger. Makes it really hard for people to stand down. Unfortunately, I am pretty sure it has been planned this way.
Earlier tonight thanks to a tip from someone who I wish I had listened to earlier, we discovered someone who had at least 8 different accounts. One bashed Horowitz, Swaggert, and Art Bell. Another bashed Keyes. Another posted as a rabid Keyester. Another posted as a Klayman basher. Several seemed to have a thing for mocking Registered.
What was the guy's game? Here is a graphic and caption off of the profile of one of them:
Yes, he wanted to get people fighting to where they would walk away.
One of this guy's incarnations posted a piece or two from anarchist website strike-the-root, which to me hints to what his ideology is. It would also explain why he had a knack for going after the DC chapter folks. I recall nrkybill (anarchy Bill) had some issues with you all. They are not the same people, I don't think, but if their ideology is the same and their main targets are the same, then it is possible that there is some connection.
Obviously, the goal is to drive people away. This is not happening on just one side, it is happening on all sides. It is a form of disruption that relies on the cover of good people engaging in flame wars with them so that the disruptors seem part of the mass rather than the agent provocatuers that they are.
There are two options, really. People can help us out in finding them by refusing to take part in the flame wars and being understanding when a person gets sent to the cooler, so that eventually the real problem children are rooted out.
And the other option is to let them win by letting them drive you away- with you being people from every single conservative faction we have. Rest assured though, if that one happens, if you make another home and it starts being successful, they will come there and do it to you there.
I've asked this before. I'll ask it again. (And this is not aimed at you, ... but at the forum). Please stop it with the personal attacks. One can have a rip-roaring take-it-to-the-mat political debate with someone without getting personal, without resorting to childish taunts, and still not have it be bland.
And the best thing that one can do otherwise is to use a little self-enforcement. A Bushie telling a Bushie to knock off the insults is going to probably work better than a Keyester telling a Bushie to knock off the insults, and vice versa.
My flame suits are back on, so everyone have at it again. But please at least think about it. Thanks, AM
So start by refraining from phrases such as "flying monkeys" or "bushbots" in your responses, as that just spreads the flaming, and can raise the hackles of otherwise civil posters. Ask the flamers to debate instead of just spewing insults. I've found the flamers will generally just slink off and try and find a food fight somewhere else if people stand up to them...
Didn't you read this part of the Admin Moderator's post?
Earlier tonight thanks to a tip from someone who I wish I had listened to earlier, we discovered someone who had at least 8 different accounts. One bashed Horowitz, Swaggert, and Art Bell. Another bashed Keyes. Another posted as a rabid Keyester. Another posted as a Klayman basher. Several seemed to have a thing for mocking Registered.What was the guy's game? Here is a graphic and caption off of the profile of one of them:
"I'm very sorry, but I just couldn't stand all the fighting any longer!"
Yes, he wanted to get people fighting to where they would walk away.
There are definitely trolls and disruptors on this site among the Bushbots, as there are among the Bushbashers. Folks have soured on this forum on account of both.
Do you think the moderator would have said "both sides" if they didn't have evidence to support that statement? I thought the moderator's comments were very well put: It is a form of disruption that relies on the cover of good people engaging in flame wars with them so that the disruptors seem part of the mass rather than the agent provocatuers that they are.
In other words, WE are taken in by these folks and, in good faith, engage in debate, arguing our positions, no? It is when the discussion deteriorates that the disruptor has achieved their purpose, imo.
Fair point... I don't mind much being called a "Bushbasher," and I've got some friendships among some who good-naturedly call themselves "Bushbots," so I guess I sometimes forget myself.
Apologies to any I've offended.
I've seen many call themselves Bushies. Is this like a "black thing" where the n-word is concerned?
Perhaps I'm on all the wrong threads.
No, we don't need that crap. We need to be finding common ground among the different groups on FR, joining together where we find that common ground, and going out and kicking liberal a**es in the political arena. We do NOT need to be engaging in witch hunts, forming circular firing squads on FR and demanding political purity when politics is never anything remotely resembling pure.
Well, people who don't know you can really read this badly. For example, replace "Bush Loyalists" with "Israeli Lobby" and you'll see what I mean.
And that's probably meant in fun, but others come along and don't realize your posting history with some in the Bush camp, take it as an insult and fire back. So it's probably good to be careful in that department.
I like to keep in mind ol' Jim Eason when I post on Free Republic. He was (and is) a gentleman to the core. He's retired now, but I still remember his radio show. He had a very gentlemanly persona on the air, and when I find myself wondering how to phrase things or how to reply to something that really annoys me, I'll think of how Jim used to put things, and then the reply usually writes itself. Anyway, that's what I do.
Jeez, that's bad too? "Bush Loyalists" was my attempt at coming up with some sort of shorthand that wouldn't offend that camp. I've not received even one complaint.
What would you call them?
Bingo!
Of course, that just means some people will use any disagreement as an excuse to yell "Disruptor!" But those types get to be known pretty quickly.
Eason was the first talk radio guy I listened to as a kid. Learned a lot on that program. KGO, I think.Thanks, BTW.
This then changes the discussion as the target feels the need to defend himself or herself as an independent thinker.
Good grief. Give it up. Who are you trying to impress?
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