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Sheriff: Rescued girls were minutes from death
CNN ^ | August 2, 2002

Posted on 08/02/2002 7:32:42 AM PDT by TopQuark

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:00:57 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

'He was hunting for a place to kill them and bury them'

Authorities remove the body of Roy Ratliff near Lake Isabella, California, on Thursday.

LANCASTER, California (CNN) -- The man who abducted two teenage girls at gunpoint early Thursday was "hunting for a place to kill them" in a remote desert spot about 100 miles away when two deputies located him and fatally shot him, authorities said.


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To: ruppertdog
No kidding.....I'm sick of people blaming the parents in incidents like this, even where there is a little something they could have done to stop the action.
81 posted on 08/02/2002 10:51:37 AM PDT by Nate505
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To: TopQuark
Essay Of The Week

Quote of the Day by by Libloather

82 posted on 08/02/2002 10:52:53 AM PDT by RJayneJ
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To: meandog
I did have to endure the 15, 16, 17 and 18-year-old rites of passage (and here's hoping when your turn comes it will be doubly hard).

I guess, you are honest about being a mean dog. Why would you wish bad things to someone?

Sorry to disappoint you: I am way past raising teenagers. And, although I have two very stern German shepherds, none of them is mean either.

Both are now married and I've just learned I'm going to be a 1st time grandfather this October...

I am genuinely happy for you. I wish your daughter easy pregnancy, safe delivery, and many years of happiness in her expanding family.

Given you mean spirit, I shall not be responding to you any further.

83 posted on 08/02/2002 10:55:18 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
What are these minors doing outside the house at this time of the night? When will we start persecuting parents for negligence?

HAhaha ha..People get kidnapped in broad day light at greedy mart parking lots, in their bedrooms etc...The time don't mean squat..

As kids get older they stay out longer and slowly part from Mom and Dad...LOL

84 posted on 08/02/2002 11:04:09 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: meandog
"Aw, come on, weren't you ever a teen? Teens date are known to break curfews (especially in the summer when school is out) and there is very little parents can do! "

You apparently must be younger than me. I am 53. I was so scared of my Dad that I didn't dare sneak out or stay out that late at 16 or 17. Now 18 was different. He would have blistered the hell out of me, and I knew it. He had a mean belt, Meandog. Of course today our communist government will not allow this.

85 posted on 08/02/2002 11:06:13 AM PDT by auggy
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To: RightWhale
New conference on now, Kearn County officials saying every truck driver in California was looking for this AH....Yeeehaaa....
86 posted on 08/02/2002 11:10:11 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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NEWS CONFERENCE ON NOW, MOST ALL CHANNELS....
87 posted on 08/02/2002 11:12:14 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: zandtar
"At 16 years old, if I decided I was going to stay out until past 2am some night, it would have happened 1 time. After that, punishment would have happened."

Haha, I guess my parents aren't very strict. I used to stay out all night when I was 13. I never really did have a curfew or anything.

88 posted on 08/02/2002 11:16:53 AM PDT by BlessingInDisguise
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To: TopQuark
I am genuinely happy for you. I wish your daughter easy pregnancy, safe delivery, and many years of happiness in her expanding family. Given you mean spirit, I shall not be responding to you any further.

Thank you...did not mean to sound mean to you; it's just that I'm fed up with FReeper "pie-in-the-sky" attitude about what is ideal parenting. Since you raised teens, you can appreciate the anguish we go through. The girls in question on this thread, according to the story, were both raped and severly traumatised. I know their parents are going through a lot and my heart goes out to them...I also know that parents can set curfews for teens but that doesn't mean that they won't be broken. What's a parent to do? Handcuff them to a closet in their room on Friday and Saturday night? I took away driving privileges, I forbade groady-looking friends entry to my home, I even had to sic MY former German Shepherd (who was mean and who I still grieve for) on the door when a "boyfriend" showed up with body piercings, green hair and condoms sticking out of his shirt pocket. Still, I went through the ordeal of missing beer from the fridge, heathen devil weed residue in car ashtrays and 2 a.m. worrying when both of my girls were on Cinderella time!

89 posted on 08/02/2002 11:17:55 AM PDT by meandog
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To: TopQuark
If he had tried to rob me and kidnap my girlfriend he would have died of lead poisoning back at the original parking lot. These kids must not have had a clue...

ok some weird guy pulls up and walks over to your driver side window with a pistol and they just sit there waiting for him to walk up.....hellow??? They don't do anything or at least try to drive away????

90 posted on 08/02/2002 11:22:14 AM PDT by BlessingInDisguise
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To: TopQuark
I thought it remarkable that CNN (I cannot believe I am actually posting something from that source) has not deleted these words of the sheriff:

We don't have to worry about him being rehabilitated," Sparks said of Ratliff. "We don't have to worry about the Supreme Court. He is deceased."

 
What I found remarkable was a) that that was the Sherriff's second quote on the (FOX local) news last night because b) his first televised statement was, with voice breaking, "Well, we got the son of a bitch!"

91 posted on 08/02/2002 11:22:47 AM PDT by AnnaZ
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To: meandog
I hate to careen back onto the topic, but do you think that the scumbag lawyers are already contacting Ratliff's widow so she can sue the cops for "vigilante justice?"

I can hear some of the libs right now. Those awful cops killed a man for engaging in what was obviously a lifestyle choice!

Just watch. I'm cynical enough to believe that the widow will sue.

92 posted on 08/02/2002 11:23:27 AM PDT by Treebeard
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To: BlessingInDisguise
Maybe the teens were, ahem, distracted when the suspect came up to the car...
93 posted on 08/02/2002 11:23:38 AM PDT by TamiPie
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Obviously I'm not alone in this thought, eh, Joe?

Yep, kids do stay out later when they get older, and some unfortunately meet with trouble in the dark.
94 posted on 08/02/2002 11:25:48 AM PDT by TamiPie
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To: Amore
I think some people here misinterpret comments about kids being out so late as "blaming the victim."

At the risk of a little pop-psych thinking, I strongly suspect that the "blame the parents" crowd, on this and similar threads, make their comments as a way of assuring themselves that THEIR kids (grandkids, nieces, nephews, whatever) would never find themselves in this situation. It's in large part a defensive reaction to horrific news -- a way to reassure yourself that you and yours are not in danger.

95 posted on 08/02/2002 11:26:38 AM PDT by pettifogger
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To: angcat
i had to beg my mother to stay out till midnight when i graduated high school.

And I thought I was the only one! :) Except Dad set my rules. When I was 16 and a junior and started dating (NO dating before then!), my curfew was 11, and of course only weekends - no going out on school nights unless it was a church or school function. When I was a senior, I begged for more ("All my friends stay out later than me!") and it was changed to 1130.

Once I officially graduated, I complained to my dad that I wasn't a kid anymore and he said "Are you still living in MY house?" I said something like "Oh come ON, Dad!" to which he replied "OK, 1145." So my curfew that whole summer, til I left for college, was an embarassing 1145. LOL! Of course, now my attitude is a little adjusted and I appreciate his being so stubborn.

96 posted on 08/02/2002 11:29:02 AM PDT by agrace
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To: TamiPie
THIS NEWS CONFERENCE IS GREAT..........
97 posted on 08/02/2002 11:30:07 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: TamiPie
Obviously I'm not alone in this thought, eh, Joe?

Oh, you not alone Tami, there are millions of folks just like you.

And I can't stress enough about this current news conference going on now. The animal control officer is on now!

98 posted on 08/02/2002 11:37:28 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
tell all, I'm in office prison!
99 posted on 08/02/2002 11:41:41 AM PDT by DaughterofEve
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To: agrace
18 rounds fired at the suspect . LOL!.....
100 posted on 08/02/2002 11:41:58 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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