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The legacy of the Green Jihadist grows.

Can you imagine the outrage if al Qaeda thugs had set a fire that had a 30 mile long front.

Then that 30 mile long front might end up burning out 17,000 people from their homes, ranches, farms and businesses.

However, since this is Oregon where the Green Jihadists are heroes, no real outrage will be screamed at the Green Jihadists in Portland, Salem, Eugene, Ashland and any city with a university.

If this happens, it is the ultimate in Rural Cleansing via fire, the eco terrorists's Rural Cleansing Tool.

1 posted on 07/30/2002 6:48:29 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids
Fyi!

The Green Jihadists, Andy Kerr and the ONRC have been setting up this massive Rural Cleansing by fire for at least a decade in this area.
2 posted on 07/30/2002 6:51:51 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: WaterDragon; brityank; madfly; backhoe; farmfriend; JohnHuang2; RonDog; *Enviralists
FYI and for your ping lists.

Is this the ultimate in Rural Cleansing by the Green Jihadists? Or is it just a big chapter in the 2002 fire season with more massive Rural Cleansing by the Green Jihadist via their tool of uncontrolled wildfires due to their agendas.
3 posted on 07/30/2002 6:56:01 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: AAABEST; sauropod; countrydummy; Tailgunner Joe
FYI
4 posted on 07/30/2002 6:57:37 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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Has there been a statement from the greenies indicating that they know what is causing these fires.......other than lightning storms? Will they ever realize the terrible damage that they have caused?
5 posted on 07/30/2002 7:03:22 AM PDT by Jackie222
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Will they ever realize the terrible damage that they have caused?

I said that wrong....'Will they ever admit to the damage that they have caused?' Some of them know that they have done this.

6 posted on 07/30/2002 7:09:25 AM PDT by Jackie222
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To: Grampa Dave
This is caused by the enviro nuts. This wood could have been a valuable resource and given lots of good jobs to Oregon.

Now up it goes in a puff of (polluting) smoke, expensive firefighting, loss of lives and homes and livelihoods.

All who lose their homes in this should sue Sierra Club and the greenies up the wazoo.

8 posted on 07/30/2002 7:13:36 AM PDT by crystalk
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To: All
I posted this last night. This is in case you missed it:


11 posted on 07/30/2002 7:32:51 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: All; wanderin
Here is a picture that our fellow Freeper, Wanderin, took from his driveway yesterday of the Florence Fire. Wanderin lives in Grants Pass which is east of these fires.

Wanderin, please post any new pictures that you might have or send me the link so I can post them.


12 posted on 07/30/2002 7:41:39 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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Thanks for all the wildland fire postings.
13 posted on 07/30/2002 7:42:12 AM PDT by joyce11111
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ping
20 posted on 07/30/2002 8:34:46 AM PDT by madfly
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Still got pleanty left....As of last night I had 42 paid sticker orders. And so far I've gotten 95 "I intend to order" E-Mails. That'll leave 155 stickers (if everyone follows thru) without a home! All you Oregonians need to let the green plauge know who is to blame!!

Click on Picure to order sticker

EBUCK

21 posted on 07/30/2002 8:36:45 AM PDT by EBUCK
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30 miles...17,000 people. My God.
27 posted on 07/30/2002 8:51:23 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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"Three times the fire built plumes 30,000 feet tall "

5.8 miles? Wow, that's quite a fire.... Either that or the reporter held the '0' key down for too long...

I've got a buddy who just went down there to help his parents cut a firebreak around the house. Here's to hoping they don't have to evacuate.

28 posted on 07/30/2002 8:53:20 AM PDT by El Sordo
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I think that is we FReepers can curb our language, and use logic rather than threats of violence, we oughtta speak out to the perpetrators of crime against our environment. Make no mistake, this isn't just a crime against homes. Water quality is going to suffer, and SOIL EROSION...I don't even want to think of that just yet.

SaveOurEnvironment.org has a contact address right here.

My email...not a real nasty nastygram. I don't want to give them reason to claim the VRWC is making terroristic threats :

Save a tree: fight a wildfire. Trees can't scream. Not even when they're on fire. Thanks to you, over three million acres forests have been charred to ash so far this year. Fish are being cooked to death in the streams. Animals are being roasted alive. All thanks to you people. I know you could care less about the human toll, but you ought to at least care about that which you claim to care.

You've had years to see if your ideas were better than common sense timber management. Your ideas failed miserably, and thanks to you we might not have any forest left soon.

...OOOOOOOOOOOOO another thing we can do is FREEP THIS ANTI-SUV POLL!!! (Best you can do is "non of the above", but we've got to start waking these people up out of their little fantasy world.)

33 posted on 07/30/2002 9:27:43 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: Grampa Dave
OH...This is Care2's contact address. I was reading the results of previous polls, and forgot to add that.
35 posted on 07/30/2002 9:32:48 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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From katu.com

July 30, 2002

About 17,000 Residents Poised To Evacuate In S. Oregon

CAVE JUNCTION - Two wildfires that have charred almost 100,000 acres of southwestern Oregon threaten to combine today as they march toward a string of towns.

All 17,000 residents of the Illinois Valley were told to prepare for possible evacuation.

The fires formed a front 25 miles long stretching between the communities of O'Brien and Selma, 20 miles north of the California line.

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41 posted on 07/30/2002 10:09:34 AM PDT by Salvation
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I don't agree that fire suppression is the problem, but the envirowackos have got a lot of people brainwashed into believing that. If you ignore the ignorance and bias of the author, this article is a good read.

Fires fuel debate over logging in the West

By SCOTT SONNER
Associated Press Writer

ELKO, Nev. (AP) – Those who favor relaxing U.S. environmental laws on federal lands say devastating wildfires in the West are helping build public support for more logging to thin overstocked forests after decades of fire suppression.

But environmentalists say the reformers are trying to exploit the situation, and the supervisor of the largest U.S. national forest outside Alaska says a balanced approach is especially important now.

“It’s sad it’s come to that but I think all the fires have brought some attention to the problem,” said Brad Roberts, the chairman of the Elko County Commission who testified at a congressional hearing that protection of the threatened bull trout is intensifying fire threats in northeast Nevada.

Rep. Jim Gibbons, R-Elko, [sic...that's U.S. Rep. Jim Gibbons (R-NV)...retarded AP writer anyway] who hosted the congressional field hearing this past weekend, said the fires are helping forge the most support he’s seen in a decade for changes in the Endangered Species Act.

Gibbons, a senior member of the House Resources Committee, said the Endangered Species Act was “probably a good purpose as it was originally intended.

“But when you have 1,200 species which are listed – most of them in the West and most of which don’t have statistically empirical data supporting the listing – you have to question the purpose of why the act is being used and whether or not it’s being used effectively.”

“We’re laying the groundwork, we’re building cases about the science and getting the information out,” he said.

While efforts to rewrite the 1973 law have been pushed by conservatives in the West for years, Gibbons said he thinks such changes will win soon congressional approval.

“It’s changing as we see events take place, mostly out West, where we have large forest fires that are the result of the inability to pay attention to our forests and our rangelands because of some listing of a species that prevents any action being taken,” Gibbons said.

Environmentalists say the timber industry, aligned with Western lawmakers and the Bush administration, is playing on public fears of wildfires to promote logging.

“Their attempts ... have nothing to do with protecting communities and everything to do with protecting corporate profits for timber companies,” said Brian Vincent, California organizer of the American Lands Alliance based in Nevada City, Calif.

Bob Vaught, Forest Service supervisor of the Humboldt-Toiyabe National Forest in Nevada and the Sierra, said that as long as the agency receives the necessary funding, it has the authority to reduce fuel in fire-prone forests without changes in existing laws.

He said the political tug-of-war over federal forest management is not new.

“Throughout our history for almost 100 years, the Forest Service has dealt with situations where the politics are one way or the other. The Forest Service tends to be in the middle and tends to be beat on by both sides,” he said.

Vaught said thinning and fuels reductions programs are “important and necessary” in many parts of the West, but extremes of any sort must be resisted in managing forests.

“We need a balance of good, solid, sound management. While we’re going to always have fires, while they are always going to be a damaging component when they get in the wrong place at the wrong time, they are still going to be an overall part of the environment in the West.”

Rep Gibbon's Website

Environazi "American Lands Alliance" website (Which, BTW, condems logging in some links, and condemns the Forestry Department for not doing enough to protect residents from wildfire)

60 posted on 07/30/2002 12:29:40 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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Breaks my heart. I love that Smith River canyon and the area around Gasquet in NoCal near Oregon border. And I have a friend with 80 forested acres beyond Cave Junction, OR, in Wilderville. He's an enviro whacko and watched with disgust as neighbors cleared some trees off their property. He won't touch one of his..hope he doesn't have to pay the price for his dedicated stupidity. He rented a house on his property to fellow with the fire service who begged him to thin out and clean up his land, but he couldn't countenance the idea. The area is full of enviro whackos. Too sad.
79 posted on 07/30/2002 2:03:57 PM PDT by PoisedWoman
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To: Grampa Dave
WorldNetDaily lists their address as Cave Junction.
93 posted on 07/30/2002 3:07:37 PM PDT by slowry
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150 FT flames,they say? Since I've given up watching any of the Alphabet News Channels,and barely any Fox, It's become all about reading online for me, I was wondering if Anyone has seen Photos or Video on TV of this Fire in Oregon.I'm just asking.Are they covering this story on your local station?
94 posted on 07/30/2002 3:17:58 PM PDT by Pagey
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