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30-mile fire front menaces southwest Oregon towns
Oregon Live ^ | 7/30/02 | Beth Quinn

Posted on 07/30/2002 6:48:28 AM PDT by Grampa Dave

30-mile fire front menaces southwest Oregon towns

07/30/02

BETH QUINN

CAVE JUNCTION -- Wildland firefighters battled to keep a 30-mile-long wall of fire from reaching the Illinois Valley on Monday where 17,000 people were warned to get ready to flee.

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As the 70,000 acre Florence fire roared south toward the 20,000-acre Sour Biscuit blaze, firefighters dug a last-ditch fire line stretching along the western edge of the valley and southwestern Oregon communities.

Sixteen bulldozers worked the line on the steep ridges west of Woodrat, Tennessee and Eight Dollar mountains while 14 more wait along U.S. 199 in Selma, awaiting orders to join the fire fight.

Firefighters are preparing to set a 34,000-acre backfire that would be larger than most of the other fires being fought in Oregon.

"We are running dozers 24 hours a day," said Rick Hartigan of the Arizona Central West Zone Incident Management Team overseeing the firefighting.

If the fire hits the bulldozed line, they'll bombard it with fire retardant and water, but even with all that, fire officials told residents Sunday night, they weren't confident they could stop it.

"There is a very good chance that this fire is going to reach the valley floor," said Greg Gilpin, an incident commander for Oregon Department of Forestry. "It is so big and so awesome there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop this fire."

Fire officials warned area residents that the fire could reach the floor of the Illinois Valley today in a third straight day of extreme fire behavior.

Throughout the weekend and into Monday, the head of the Florence fire advanced a mile an hour with 150-foot flames and wind gusts up to 40 mph that threw spot fires up to two miles ahead. Three times the fire built plumes 30,000 feet tall and three times those plumes collapsed back into the fire with explosive force, further spreading the blaze.

"We have veteran firefighters who have never seen such fire behavior," said Hartigan.

"The forestry people all have their eyes rolled back," said Tim Birr of the Oregon Fire Marshal's overhead team. "This fire is kind of like the proverbial 5,000-pound gorilla that goes wherever it wants to go."

On the floor of the mountain-ringed Illinois Valley, firefighters went door-to-door on U.S. 199 from Selma to Kerby. At each spot the firefighters took a location fix with a global positioning system to add each building to the maps used for fire planning.

In addition, the structure firefighters assessed the defensibility of each house, noting which had fireproof roofs and brush-free zones that could be defended against fire and which were overgrown with trees and shrubbery and might be impossible to save.

"In cases where a home can be made more defensible, if they can take some simple steps, they will do it," said Birr.

But even homes that are well-prepared can fall victims to the flames, as two homeowners in Oak Flat learned Sunday. All 12 homes along the Illinois River had been singed on Thursday but survived, yet when the fire moved back through the area Sunday, two homes burned. Another home was lost at McCaleb Ranch along with eight outbuildings.

"There's higher percentage of nondefensible homes," said Kyle Kirchner, chief of the Illinois Valley Fire District and Josephine County Fire Defense Board. Homeowners are "interested now in getting defensible space, and it's too late."

Fire officials began making contingency plans for safety zones where firefighters and residents could find shelter should evacuation routes be cut.

Two of the four routes out of the valley to the south have already been cut off by other fires in Northern California. The only exits are north on U.S.199 to Grants Pass and by a remote forest road from Upper Deer Creek near Selma over the 5,000-foot crest of the Siskiyou Mountains to Williams.

"If it comes across through Selma and compromises that artery, we are preparing to shelter in place," said Kirchner. "We can now see the fire from Selma. As far as I'm concerned, it's imminent."

Fire shelters were being set up at the closed Selma School in Selma and the Illinois Valley High School in Cave Junction, both buildings made of materials designed to withstand fires that sit amidst several acres of cleared, defensible space. A third fire shelter planned for O'Brien had not been designated by early Monday evening.

With bulldozers working feverishly on smoke-shrouded ridges to build the last-ditch line to protect the communities under his care, Kirchner's thoughts turn to a new set of nightmare scenarios should the last-ditch line fail to hold the Florence fire.

"If it goes, now we're worried about the caves," he said, referring to the Oregon Caves National Monument 16 miles east of Cave Junction. "There's enough volatile dry fuel that we're going to have problems."

The fire is also moving northwest. Fire officials projected the blaze could reach homes outside Agness by Wednesday. It would have to jump the Rogue River to burn the town itself, but the fire, fueled by strong winds, has jumped the Illinois River several times, said Pam Leschak, Florence fire information officer.

A structure protection team was already assessing homes and removing brush and trees from around structures south of the Rogue River near Agness on Monday.

An 80-acre blaze closed a section of U.S. 199 near the Oregon/California border Monday. The Shelly Creek fire, burning up the steep canyon walls, was causing boulders and logs to fall onto the road, said Carol McCall, spokeswoman, Redwood National State Parks.

The fire also forced the evacuation of Patrick Creek Lodge, Patrick Campground, Bar-O-Boys Ranch, and a few houses near Gasquet, 20 miles northeast of Crescent City, Calif., in the Smith River Canyon. You can reach Beth Quinn at 541-474-5926 or by e-mail at bquinn@terragon.com.


TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: burningoforegon; christines; enviralists; florencefire; greenburningagenda; greenjihadists; illinoisvalleyor; kitzhaberburnor; kitzhabersfolly; kitzsfirelegacy; oregonisburning; ruralcleansing; sourbiscuitfire
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To: cake_crumb
Sheesh. 10% was all it was when I was on earlier!!!!! Come ON people!!!!!

Anti-SUV poll

121 posted on 07/30/2002 5:17:26 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma
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To: Grampa Dave
Dave here are some links to fire stories:

http://www.registerguard.com/news/2002/07/30/1a.blackbutte.0730.html

http://www.registerguard.com/news/2002/07/30/1a.illinoisvalleyfires.0730.html

http://www.registerguard.com/news/2002/07/30/7a.fireside.0730.html

Molon Labe !!
122 posted on 07/30/2002 5:32:02 PM PDT by blackie
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To: Brad's Gramma
Terrible, isn't it? Perhaps FReepers have forgotten that in the beginning of their anti-SUV campaign, the environazi definition of "SUV" includes 4 wheel drive pickups? Or that ultimately, it still does? Also, they want ATV's and snomobiles relegated to dusty humps under tarps in our garages?

Is it any wonder the environazis hate a president who truly wants to do right by the environment, AND us, partly because he drives a 4x4 pickup?

123 posted on 07/30/2002 5:33:19 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
I'm thinking of making up some flyers, and I KNOW someone posted something along these lines, but got ME where they're at.....anyway, when school starts in the fall, to go stick these anti-Dem flyers on the cars of all the vans, SUV's, pick-ups in the school parking lot. I seriously believe that since the media's so liberal, most of these moms don't even know what's going on up in Sacramento.

And I do believe, grammatically, that must be the WORST post ever on FR. Sheesh. I hope you got it....
124 posted on 07/30/2002 5:38:03 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma
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To: Brad's Gramma
"And I do believe, grammatically, that must be the WORST post ever on FR. Sheesh. I hope you got it...."

LOL...Nah, I got it. Add to your flyers that the Gwich'in Indians joined the leftist media and their environazi pals in fighting ANWR drilling because they were busy starting their own oil company and probably didn't want the competition. Link from Grampa's excellent Sacramento Bee post I'm SOOO glad they archived those articles.

Err...don't worry about your posts... They're much easier to understand than most of mine. I'm pretty sure that if FR awards were ever given out to the worst typest, worst proof reader, and goofiest grammatical errors, they'd go to me <G>

125 posted on 07/30/2002 5:49:20 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: All
Enviro-wacko bashing really drains the old brain cells. I need to go to bed so I can start fresh tomorrow...after I go murder some VERY endangered (by me) weeds in my garden.

My prayers remain with all Oregon FReepers. In fact, I expect to have nightmares about million acre wildfires tonight.

126 posted on 07/30/2002 5:57:54 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: EBUCK
Here ya' go...

Kitzhaber Surveys Fire Damage

PAISLEY, Ore. (KPTV) -- Governor John Kitzhaber called for Congress to allocate more resources to fight against wildfires after taking a helicopter tour of fires across the state.

After surveying the damage Kitzhaber compared the importance of fighting wildfires to the fight against terrorism. "This is as much a war as the war we are fighting in Afghanistan," Kitzhaber said. Kitzhaber also called for Congress to allocate permanent appropriations for more of firefighting resources in the future.

According to U.S. Forest Service spokesman Rex Holloway, the $321 million allocated by Congress to fight wildfires nationwide for the year is already spent. The total cost of fighting wildfires this year could reach $1 billion by the time fire season ends.

Governor Kitzhaber did not blame the fires on lightening strikes, but instead pointed the finger at unhealthy forests in need of thinning. "This is a huge problem. Unless you make the forests healthy, you're going to face this risk every summer."

I can't get the link for this report, but it's on KPTV's website.

127 posted on 07/30/2002 6:12:55 PM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: cake_crumb
Are you the author?

Yes. Thanks for the complement. I'm leaving on a speaking tour on Thursday, so I'll be scarce for a while.

Enjoy the site.

128 posted on 07/30/2002 6:15:38 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Grampa Dave
My girlfriend works in Cave Junction, and she said the ashes were literally falling as thick as snow. She's staying home in Grants Pass for the nonce.

In Medford, we're being hit by the fire near Shady Cove, the air smells, looks and feels like a fireplace with a stuffed chimney...it's absolutely horrible.

Ed

129 posted on 07/30/2002 8:17:52 PM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: slowry
World Net Daily's HQ is in Selma, 10 miles east of CJ, but as I understand it, they've been evacuated also.

Ed

130 posted on 07/30/2002 8:28:01 PM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: Sir_Ed; AuntB
I don't know if the Basin's fog is from Biscuit, or Timbered Rock. I'm guessing a combo of both. Hope you don't live near Elk Creek. Understand the inversion lifted & the fire is on its own again.
131 posted on 07/30/2002 8:56:08 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: ftimmerman
I live in Portland, OR, next door to a greenie, college educated couple. When I suggested that this summer's fires were a terrible waste, that thousands of jobs and billions of dollars could have been conributed to the economy by cutting the timber, they disagreed: "because most of the money would have gone to just a few of the rich." God help us.

*GAG* Talk about being indoctrinated by the Loony Liberal Left!

132 posted on 07/30/2002 9:32:14 PM PDT by nutmeg
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To: wanderin
The weather man reports more thunderstorms headed this way. (I hope he is wrong) Hopefully the storms will not cause any more fires from lightning strikes.

I hope your weather man is wrong also. The last thing you need out there is more lightning. Thanks for your information about the Applegate and Illinois Valley areas. I sincerely hope all is well where you live... stay safe!

133 posted on 07/30/2002 9:35:34 PM PDT by nutmeg
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To: Grampa Dave
Great graphic. The group at NAU is trying to do research in an attempt to solve this problem in the least costly manner in terms of dollars and the environment. I say trying, because the greenie groups have protested or sued to prevent some of the thinning planned by the research group. And I don't know how much that group is looking at timber harvest as part of the solution (or even if they have been allowed to consider it part of the solution), given that any timber cutting in national forests is as politically incorrect as supporting the Boy Scouts these days.
134 posted on 07/30/2002 9:58:10 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: EBUCK
http://www.oregons12.com/news/local/story.asp?content_id=1285650
135 posted on 07/30/2002 10:19:49 PM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: Grampa Dave
"Green Jihadists"

LOL. Every time I get one of your pings you manage come up with another one of these beauties.

136 posted on 07/31/2002 5:44:10 AM PDT by AAABEST
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To: All
Fox News
Over 350,000 acres burning in Oregon
137 posted on 07/31/2002 7:19:00 AM PDT by calawah98
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To: dixiechick2000
"This is a huge problem. Unless you make the forests healthy, you're going to face this risk every summer."

"Insert foot in mouth and begin eating crow" quipped one of the Governers aids. Guess that deciding to not run again has freed up valuable portions of his brain. Thanks for posting this DC2K!

EBUCK

138 posted on 07/31/2002 8:04:41 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: Grampa Dave
I thought you would be interested in what our so-called Governor had to say. For once, he got it right!

The link is posted in #135.
Babysitting, again. I'll be back later.

139 posted on 07/31/2002 8:26:37 AM PDT by dixiechick2000
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