There's the new and improved, all inclusive, multi lingual ballot..
I mean, we tried it with spanish only, but then the precedent that set drove others to demand "fair" play..
PS: You should see what the street signs look like.
Posted on 07/29/2002 3:38:39 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
This is one of few warning calls you’re going to get on this issue. The Republican party; local, state and national is simply going to have to change its mode of operation in regard to the hispanic population. Hispanic conservatives and bilingual Americans (white, black, etc.) have been trying to get the party to understand the ramifications of the coming demographic changes. However, those who have been trying are running into a wall of bigotry.
The individuals who speak Spanish, be they hispanic, white, black, etc. and share the same conservative, less-government, lower-taxes, work-for-what-you-get philosophy are frustrated by party regulars--who will not do what has to be done to prevent a PRI (Partido Revolucionario Institucional) style takeover of government by the Democrat party. It is imperative that young people learn Spanish to maintain some semblance of economic and political control. Oh, but say so and the hateful comments begin. Again, quite often, even REPUBLICANS become critical at what they perceive as a pro-hispanic agenda. What is the problem with persuading hispanics who speak Spanish to think differently about their values and economic philosophy?
What is wrong with getting young people who speak only English to learn Spanish in order to reach this huge, developing constituency? Other demographic groups are NEVER going to match the birthrate of the hispanic population nor match the numbers of illegal immigrants continuing to come into the country. Screaming and hollering about lawbreakers, etc. is fruitless because the Federal government will do very little to stem the flow. The rhetoric of hatred and bigotry is only going to drive this group into the arms of the Democrat party. Then, not only will the conservative agenda be lost forever, the country in large part will essentially be run by a group with whom we can not identify nor communicate.
It is time for the Republican party and conservatives in general to clearly teach the hispanic population that the politics of the Democrat party will return them to the socialistic/tyrannical types of governments they are presently fleeing. If this effort does not succeed, then our form of government will be lost. Not too long ago I reached out to Free Republic members trying to find work in the private sector hopefully with a conservative boss who would allow me to work actively on the side (without retribution) for conservative causes. Quite a few posts in response were rather bigoted. The present situation is analagous to a river having been dammed and rising to flood one’s land.
You have two choices. One, you can sit there until your home and property are flooded and you lose everything. Or, two, you can build a houseboat and float on the water and make your living from it. You can charge for rides, fishing trips, let it lift you, pee in it even…but it supports you. The former is a losing proposition, the latter salvation. Hatred will not solve anything. Some feel they can threaten and make the problem go away. The Federal government is not going to let anyone harass or drive out this segment of the population. I know someone who used to work for the Social Security Administration. This individual told me that the agency basically is content with the massive amounts of money being paid into the SSA by illegals whose names and numbers do not match knowing those individuals will not be able to file for benefits (ever) and the money can be spent as the agency sees fit. Why kill your cash cow? What about other agencies?. Perhaps this is only the tip of the iceberg.
Okay, it’s on the table. Maybe someone somewhere will see the necessity for action. Now…before it’s too late.
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
They are starting in Florida with the first half-hour political show in Spanish. The name is something like "Building Bridges," in Spanish.
Ah, it is "Abriendo Caminos," that is the name of the show.
This is a complicated issue and in truth the Democrats have the advantage. Mainly because they LIE and practice propoganda on such a high scale that even the truth sometimes gets blocked out.
I just thought of something... How can intelligent people follow a party that trys to obfuscate EVERYTHING and deliberately lies. They in effect, practice Brainwashing.
To those that think I am overeacting, say you are a Republican in Massachusetts and see what happens.
So, the Dems are exposing these immigrants to blatant LIES. Like, the GOP HATES you and we will make you safe. It is pure drivel but you know the rest, repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth.
To sum up, the GOP IS reaching out but it is difficult to argue with dogma. We are making inroads and when the Socially COnservative Hispanics SEE it is who they are supporting, they will lose. Look at Miami... and look at the way liberals HATE AMERICAN CUBANS, that should say something right there.
Thanks for the advice and I am sure your post will generate some useful debate.
The moving hand has written on the wall. What can it mean?
It means that the United States will soon become a socialist nation.
First it was, "Oh it's only a few thousand per year." Then it was, "Oh it's only a few hundred thousand per year." Now it's only a million a year. Pretty soon it'll be only a few million a year. So far those of us who have tried to address this issue every step of the way have been trashed constantly, called the worst names people could think of. While we warned that our nation would be overrun, folks just laughed.
Now that we have been overrun those same folks come back to demand that our nation adopt the concquering hoard's language. Didn't you and your ill spend the last ten years telling us that our nation wasn't going to change? Didn't you tell us this was not different than the Irish or the Italians or the Germans that come before them. When did we change the language to French, German, Italian? Well then, I guess this is different isn't it.
Didn't you call us racists and Hitler? Didn't you state that this nation would not lose it's language, it's customs and it's traditional identity? As radio stations across the dial go spanish, city after city changes it's charter to become bilingual, explain to me how things are not changing. When Cinco De Mayo parades are celebrated across our land under the Mexian flag, please remind me how things have not changed.
Two thirds of all children in the LAUSD are of Mexican extraction. Fully one third of them were born to illegal alien parents. 90% of all births in Los Angeles county operated hospitals are births to illegal aliens.
You can take your suggestions and place them where the sun don't shine. This is where your prior suggestions got us. Damn you!
Thanks, but no thanks..
(PS: spanish sounds like two cats fighting in a trash can, imo.)
The thing is, . . . it doesn't have to be that way. The newcomers come from socialist environments and that doesn't mean they liked it back there. Most of them are conservative, god-fearing people, too. Seems like they ought to be natural Republicans, and would be if they were accepted as such.
The Prop. 187 didn't become explicitly anti-Latino until two years later, when Republican Dan Lungren tried to engratiate himself with Latinos by pointing out his opposition to 187.
It failed miserably, as he lost badly to Gray-out Davis, but he did manage to destroy the California Republican Party in the process.
Dan Lungren is perhaps the stupidest man in the Republican Party, and we are still paying the price for his stupidity.
Doesn't that seem to coincide with the ham-handed campaign in support of Prop 187?
Oh yeah, the Republicans made a big mistake supporting prop 187. That's why if Bill Simon ran on the platform of cutting off support for illegal aliens he would most likely win in a landslide in California just like Wilson did. Instead he's probably going down to a Lungren style defeat.
Pandering to illegals is not a winner in this country for conservative voters.
Your argument holds no water.
This lame defense of Republican foolishness regarding illegal immigration reminds me of the similar insane argument made about China's Rise Is Inevitable -- So Deal With It - a false economic argument meant to override law, morality, security and other priorities.
Same problem in Republican thinking with illegal Mexicans.
So, we have here the futility of a 'flood' analogy. On the one hand water is hard to stop once moving. People on the other hand may be more alikened to herds. Deport a few at the head of the line of illegals and the rest will change their direction. Herds turn around. It is not inevitable that they flood.
Just try it first. Enforce existing laws.
No water.
And no watering holes in the desert either. Turn the law breakers back.
There's the new and improved, all inclusive, multi lingual ballot..
I mean, we tried it with spanish only, but then the precedent that set drove others to demand "fair" play..
PS: You should see what the street signs look like.
Bush ----- '92 == 38%
Dole ----- '96 == 28%
GW Bush - '00 == 33%
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