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INS Set to Deport 9-11 Hero's Family (What idiots!)
NewsMax.com ^ | 7/22/02 | Newsmax

Posted on 07/22/2002 11:25:59 AM PDT by stefeb

INS Set to Deport 9-11 Hero's Family

Just a few months after the Immigration and Naturalization Service approved a student visa for long-dead 9-11 hijacker Mohamed Atta, the usually lethargic agency is pulling out all the stops to deport the family of 9-11 hero Paul Gilbey, who died while rescuing his coworkers on the World Trade Center's 84th floor.

Gilbey was a currency broker with EuroBrokers. He and his wife Deena - both British nationals - had lived the U.S. for 10 years before the 9-11 attacks. Their two children, Mason, 7, and Max, 4, are both U.S. citizens.

Nevertheless, the immigration agency is invoking a technicality to give the boot to the 9-11 hero-dad's American boys along with their Brit mom.

"Two days after he was killed, they coldly told me, 'Your husband has expired and so has your right to stay in this country,'" Mrs. Gilbey told the New York Post.

Immigration officials warned she faced arrest and deportation if she didn't leave voluntarily.

The couple had applied for green cards in 1994. But when Mr. Gilbey changed jobs they had to start the process all over.

The Chatham, N.J., mom tried to re-apply under the USA PATRIOT Act, which was passed in the wake of the 9-11 attacks. But INS officials have constructed a Catch-22 argument, telling Gibley she doesn't qualify because her paperwork remains stalled in the system.

An INS supervisor told the 9-11 hero's wife that it would set "a dangerous precedent" if they sped up the green card process on her behalf.


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This people have got to be the most incompentent, moronic, human beings ever to walk the face of the earth.
1 posted on 07/22/2002 11:25:59 AM PDT by stefeb
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To: stefeb
She must have the wrong color skin.
2 posted on 07/22/2002 11:28:23 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: stefeb
I am ashamed to see my government hit a new low in idiocy. This is so unbelievable.... What can we do to try to help?
3 posted on 07/22/2002 11:30:12 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: stefeb
These people actually get PAID to be morons.
4 posted on 07/22/2002 11:31:22 AM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: stefeb
Yep it would be a "a dangerous precedent" alright. She came from the wrong country! Sorry lady, if you want to come here illegaly change your name to Gonzales. If you'd have come here illegaly, not filing for a work permit, you'd have been welcomed with open arms and plenty of benefits.
5 posted on 07/22/2002 11:31:43 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: stefeb
Call the Torch and Senator Moneybags, I mean Corzine -- they're champions of the little people!
6 posted on 07/22/2002 11:31:49 AM PDT by CatoRenasci
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To: stefeb
Yet more proof that the INS is a useless and tyrannical agency that needs to be dumped and-or overhauled...
7 posted on 07/22/2002 11:33:53 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Marine Inspector
Ping!
8 posted on 07/22/2002 11:35:12 AM PDT by PsyOp
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To: stefeb
Time to eliminate ALL useless agencies of the federales!

Homeland Security should be the responsibility of the Department of Defense. The federal (and state) employment should be slashed by 70% and all useless bureaus eliminated.

9 posted on 07/22/2002 11:35:12 AM PDT by elcaudillo
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To: stefeb
Time to eliminate ALL useless agencies of the federales!

Homeland Security should be the responsibility of the Department of Defense. The federal (and state) employment should be slashed by 70% and all useless bureaus eliminated.

10 posted on 07/22/2002 11:35:30 AM PDT by elcaudillo
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To: stefeb
This is beyond disgusting.
11 posted on 07/22/2002 11:40:18 AM PDT by HarryDunne
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To: elcaudillo

Time to eliminate ALL useless agencies of the federales!

As long as State and Federal governments continue to extort income-tax  from the productive working class and creative business community the parasitical-politicians and self-serving bureaucrats will never run out of ways to spend that money to the net harm of the working class, the business community and society in general. If it's not the Democrats it's the Republicans -- usually both.

As Mr. Brown used to joking say to us neighborhood kids, "Which do you want, a fat lip or a busted eyebrow." That was not lost on me. From Democrats you get one, from Republicans you get the other. Voting for the lesser of evils still begets evil.

The Genie is Out of the Bottle

Congress has created so many laws that virtually every person is assured of breaking more than just traffic laws. Surely with all this supposed lawlessness people and society should have long ago run head long into destruction. But it has not.

Instead, people and society have progressively prospered. Doing so despite politicians creating on average, 3,000 new laws each year which self-serving alphabet-agency bureaucrats implement/utilize to justify their usurped power and unearned paychecks. They both proclaim from on high -- with complicit endorsement from the media and academia -- that all those laws are "must-have" laws to thwart people and society from running headlong into self-destruction.

Again, despite not having this year's 3,000 must-have laws people and society increased prosperity for years and decades prior. How can it be that suddenly the people and the society they form has managed to be so prosperous for so long but suddenly they will run such great risk of destroying their self-created prosperity?

The government is the all time champion of cooking the books and it has the gall to point fingers at the whole business community because of a few bad apples. The entire business community and employees that support it should stand tall against a government feigning to protect the little guy from organizations that cook their books.

If there was ever a prime example of the fox guarding the hen house it is the government claiming to protect the little guy from organizations that cook their books. President Bush will have to militarily smash down terrorism. For that is his job. It's not the President's, congress' or the government's job to manipulate the economy.

The business community with their employees will have to stand tall against the PC-status-quo fox -- self-proclaimed authorities claiming/feigning they'll use the government to protect the little guy and a complicit media and academia that supports them; for they are all the fox -- to regain their rightful place as the champions of honest business that has always increased the well-being of people.

The government, having already manipulated the economy to almost no-end, President Bush can play the unbeatable five-ace hand of replacing the threat-of-force IRS and graduated income tax with a don't-pay-the-tax-if-you-don't-want-to consumption tax. For example, implement the proposed national retail sales tax (NRST). Not only would that win votes for Bush and republicans in congress it would boom the economy.

Where will it lead?

War of Two Worlds
Value Creators versus Value Destroyers

Politics is not the solution. It's the problem!

The first thing civilization must have is business/science. It's what the family needs so that its members can live creative, productive, happy lives. Business/science can survive, even thrive without government/bureaucracy.

Government/bureaucracy cannot survive without business/science. In general, business/science and family is the host and government/bureaucracy is a parasite.

Aside from that, keep valid government services that protect individual rights and property. Military defense, FBI, CIA, police and courts. With the rest of government striped away those few valid services would be several fold more efficient and effective than they are today. 

Underwriters Laboratory is a private sector business that has to compete in a capitalist market. Underwriters laboratory is a good example of success where government fails.

Any government agency that is a value to the people and society -- which there are but a few -- could better serve the people by being in the private sector where competition demands maximum performance.

Wake up! They are the parasites. We are the host. We don't need them. They need us.

* * *

After all, in calling for the resignation of Securities and Exchange Commissioner Harvey Pitt, McCain declares, “Government’s demands for corporate accountability are only credible if government executives are held accountable as well." Does that mean U.S. senators? Congress, Accounting, and the Free Market (McCain is grandstanding again)

"Too often, we have cooked the books, exploited off-balance sheet accounting, fudged budget numbers and failed to disclose fully the nation's assets and liabilities. If we in Washington are to have credibility in the public eye as we address the corporate accounting mess, we must reform our own fiscal practices," said McCain. Social Security Called A Bigger Fraud Than Corporate Scandals

Prove it first. It's not like it's a new discovery or problem. It's a seventy-year-old problem. It's just that now politicians and bureaucrats have trapped themselves and the general public is becoming increasingly aware. They've been caught and McCain is getting interview time to peddle gussied-up compassionate government.

"Allowing Americans to invest responsibly a small part of their payroll taxes will not only save Social Security, but will provide them with greater retirement income than those who no or will soon depend on Social Security checks," said McCain. Social Security Called A Bigger Fraud Than Corporate Scandals

Notice McCain so readily self-proclaims himself and government the authority to allow Americans to invest part of their own money. But he has a condition; it most be done responsibly. And who decides what is responsible? Certainly not the all-time champion, cook-the-books bureaucrats and snake-oil-salesmen politicians.

They -- self-proclaimed authorities -- are running citizens and society headlong into destruction.

12 posted on 07/22/2002 11:44:55 AM PDT by Zon
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I suspect she would not be regarded as a "protected class."
13 posted on 07/22/2002 11:57:16 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: stefeb
I have had a number of dealings with the INS, and they have all been negative, and I'm a flippin native born american! Not only are they all of the things you have described, but they are arrogant, and ignore their own rules. Fortunately, with the assistance of my liberal democrat congressman, the INS has had to eat crow in each of my dealings with them. I have one more issue to resolve with them, and I fully hope that I will succeed, and then I will be finished with those swine.
14 posted on 07/22/2002 12:22:02 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic; All
Wait and see, I think...in some cases, the "low-level" bureaucrats have their hands tied, and in other cases certain "career" or "hold-over" employees will be found responsible for this sort of debacle. Remember Elian...but then remember, W's in charge now, and I expect this latest egregious I.N.S. situation will be sorted out in short order. There will be little fanfare, of course, and more's the pity, but I'd be willing to bet there's a little "reform" about to happen, even if it's one case at a time...
15 posted on 07/22/2002 12:31:28 PM PDT by 88keys
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
I am ashamed to see my government hit a new low in idiocy.

I don't know, sending the Flying School visa documentation for the terrorists of 9-11 ranked pretty high in my book of government screw-ups.
16 posted on 07/22/2002 12:35:46 PM PDT by Registered
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Yes, she's probably a white protestant ! God we can't have them running free now can we ???
INS ... Incompetent Nazis Schleps
17 posted on 07/22/2002 12:37:29 PM PDT by Marobe
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To: stefeb
An INS supervisor told the 9-11 hero's wife that it would set "a dangerous precedent" if they sped up the green card process on her behalf.

Mrs. Gilbey: But where is your common sense?
INS: Common sense? We got no common sense. We don't need no common sense. We don't have to show you no stinkin' common sense!!

18 posted on 07/22/2002 12:45:01 PM PDT by mc5cents
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To: Scotsman will be Free; The_Quiet_American
I have had a number of dealings with the INS, and they have all been negative

Well, I know it's part of the Department of State, not the the INS, but I had a pretty negative experience with the U.S. Consular Office in Sydney, Australia. My Australian girlfriend sent away for her visa, and weeks went by, with no word. I finally called them up and it turned out they had just been sitting on the application, claiming that they contacted her (they had not). I ended up screaming at the insolent little twerp woman, who got indignant when I told her that she worked for me, seeing as how I paid Federal taxes. And then she refused to give me her name so I could complain to her boss. That's outrageous.

Anyway, my girlfriend got her visa literally three hours before her flight left for the U.S. And only because both of us scrambled like hell to fix what they screwed up.

So unfortunately, this deportation story doesn't really surprise me.

19 posted on 07/22/2002 12:52:04 PM PDT by TrappedInLiberalHell
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To: stefeb
Oh it doesn't stop there. No sir. While the bad guys sneak in on freighters, the INS is making the world safer by denying a husband, wife and two young children the right to board their cruise ship out of New Orleans. It happened last week to a good friend of mine. The G$#%$%d%#%^$m pinhead told him his wife's Canadian Visa had expired and he couldn't allow them to board for their vacation. The USA and Canada have reciprocity treaties in place that state you can use your Canadian Visa up to 10 years after it expires. They live here, he works for a Fortune 50 company, they pay the same taxes I do and they get treated like shyatt.

I know, I know, another example of why our borders are pourous. But to be gunning for Mom and Dad on vacation is the height of misappropriated vigilance. He stands to lose $3,500!!! I told my friend to call the TV station and tell them the story. Pure bunk. Oh, BTW the family is black. Typically shyatt that the avg white folks don't have to put up with. And I'm white and I'm conservative. So is my black friend. But the asshat do gooders out there are doing a fine job of turning him into an EEOC loving lib and who can blame him. BAH to misplaced stereo-typically conservatism!

20 posted on 07/22/2002 1:42:36 PM PDT by kinghorse
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