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Is this part of the war drum beating for the get Iraq crowd?
And with the precedent we are setting over 9/11 it's amazing he didn't stay in power forever.
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All you tin foilers out there... do you really think McVeigh could be in witness protection and no one would talk. In Washington, if two people are privy to something, one of them is talking.
The other topic is the loose ends and mysteries surrounding McVeigh, Nichols, "John Doe #2," and the OKC bombing. These questions are still alive and important. They are a major reason why many came to Free Republic in the first place, some years ago.
As with the 1968 MLK assassination, there's just too much in the way of money and travel and other loose ends to assume that there wasn't something else involved than just the one or two men convicted in each case.
Instead of telling the truth and uniting Americans on "common ground" against a foreign enemy, he chose to divide the country in order to remain in office for four more years.
What else should we have expected from this puked up hairball?
Seems like a good rag.
Bomb Damage Analysis Of Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building
I submit this as 'food for thought', not in support of any argument.
As the dust settled in Oklahoma City, we heard none of this history from Bill Clinton. Instead, he pointed to "hate-talk radio" as the culprit, the "purveyors of hate and division" who "leave the impression, by their very words, that violence is acceptable." The enemy, in short, was Rush Limbaugh, not Ramzi Youssef.
The following article excerpts belong on this thread even more so than they did the other one. (An Oklahoma Mystery...) The following are excerpts from the media over a 3-day period in 1995 right after the bombing. They give a picture of JUST HOW FAST Bill Clinton decided to cover up the Middle Eastern fingerprints and blame it on the evil, rightwing extremists:
I tried to highlight the most interesting information with bold text. It also includes sidebar info on those 10 Arabic interpreters the FBI immediately requested in red. My own comments are in blue. Sorry; I couldn't help it.)
Porter Goss and Bob Graham -- Are you listening?
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ABC World News Tonight 6:30 pm ET
April 19, 1995, Wednesday [9 1/2 hours after the bombing. Peter Jennings is talking about the FBI's APB for the 3 Middle Eastern men in the brown pickup truck]
Bomb Rips Apart Federal Building in Oklahoma City
[snip]
PETER JENNINGS: The police are very interested in finding three [Middle Eastern] men who were allegedly seen speeding north out of Oklahoma City. [Poor Peter just couldn't bring himself to say the "M.E." words, could he?] The FBI has put out an all-points bulletin - an APB, you'll hear it referred to. That's a message to police departments all across the region with details of what the three men look like and, in this case, what they may be driving.
Here's ABC's John McWethy.
JOHN McWETHY: [voice-over] Within hours of the explosion, local police and the FBI had issued the all-points bulletin looking for three men believed to be of Middle Eastern origin, driving in a brown pickup truck registered in Dallas. National Car Rental Company confirmed that the FBI had been talking to them about a rental truck fitting that description.
The fact that it was such a powerful bomb in Oklahoma City immediately drew investigators to consider deadly parallels that all have roots in the Middle East. The car bomb has been a weapon of choice in the region for decades. And in recent years, the skillful bomb makers of the region have exported their skills and often their extremist hatreds all over the world.
The first horrible evidence of that in the United States was the World Trade Center bombing in 1993. Officials estimate the charge that ripped into the federal building in Oklahoma City was the equivalent of more than 1,000 pounds of dynamite, similar to the blast that terrorists used at the World Trade Center.
VINCE CANNISTRARO, ABC News Consultant: This is something professional. And it really implies that the person who constructed the explosive device had experience, was trained in the use of explosives, knew what they were doing.
JOHN McWETHY: [voice-over] The FBI and other federal agencies are setting up a massive task force in Oklahoma City. Sources say the FBI has been watching dozens of suspicious Islamic groups in cities throughout the American southwest and several right in Oklahoma City.
[on camera] As a further indication of where the investigation is headed, ABC News has learned that the FBI has asked the U.S. military to provide up to 10 Arabic speakers to help in the investigation. The FBI says all options continue to be open, though on this first day at least, it appears that much of the FBI's energy is focused in just one direction. [Why is the FBI asking for Arabic translators just 9 hours after the bombing?]
John McWethy, ABC News, the Pentagon.
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Defense Dept. Briefing
APRIL 20, 1995, Thursday [the next day]
Defense Department Special Briefing Re: U.S. Military Support for Oklahoma CityBRIEFER: Major General Robert H. Scales, Jr, Director, Military Support, Dept. of Defense
[First, Kenneth Bacon on the hot seat:]
Q Can I ask you one quick question?
KENNETH. BACON: Sure.
Q Have you anything on this suspect or reported suspect who is being returned from London?
MR. BACON: I just saw the report, and I -- the president addressed that question. We have nothing we can say about that. The investigation is going on vigorously, but I have nothing I can give you on that particular report that someone has been picked up in the UK and returned to the U.S. [From BlueDogDemo: "The Arab man named in the Heathrow arrest is Abraham Ahmad, the cousin of Samir Khalil--whose wife was killed in the Oklahoma City bombing, but who choose to travel to Las Vegas the day after the bombing to conduct business. Ahmad is noted by witnesses to have stated upon arrival back in the US, to Khalil, "I am f**cked"."]
Q No request for a U.S. military transport or --
MR. BACON: I can't go beyond what I've said. We have nothing more to say about that right now. When we have more information on the investigation -- which is being conducted by the FBI not here -- the information will be forthcoming.
Q So you're not confirming or denying whether this suspect might be being returned on a military plane or --
MR. BACON: No, I'm telling you I'm not saying anything about the suspect or what's happening to the suspect. Okay. General Scales?
GEN. SCALES: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I'm Major General Bob Scales. I'm the director of Military Support in DOD, and as such, I'm the central point of contact for coordinating military support to the civilian authority.
[snip]
Q General, just a couple of quick questions. Number one, when did the C-5 leave and arrive, and how many vans were on it?
GEN. SCALES: I don't know the number of vans. The FBI -- the FBI could probably tell you that. Let's see, I think they arrived, if I'm not mistaken, early in the morning at Tinker.[Next, an entire conversation about those Arabic translators:]
Q And the secretary said this morning that DOD had offered Arabic speakers.
GEN. SCALES: Yes.
Q And that he expected that they already had been accepted by Justice or would be. Have they been? Are they being --
GEN. SCALES: We received a request late yesterday to provide eight to 10 Arabic speakers, and we passed that requirement on to Forces Command. And usually it doesn't take long to assemble those Arabic speakers, and they should be available probably tomorrow for dispatch.
Q What about speakers of other languages?
Q To be used where?
GEN. SCALES: I'm sorry?
Q What about speakers of other languages?
GEN. SCALES: Not to my knowledge. Arabic was the only one.
Q To be used where?
GEN. SCALES: Well, they would normally be used as interpreters.
Q But I mean, in Oklahoma City or --
GEN. SCALES: Frankly, I don't know. I don't have that information. All we were told was to assemble the Arabic speakers, and more to follow. Yes?
Q So then they are true linguists? It's not a request for Middle East terrorist experts, anything like that?
GEN. SCALES: No, no, no. The Army has -- as you know, the Army has foreign area specialists in our military intelligence battalions, and these are young soldiers that are trained in the language, and so these are truly interpreters and linguists.
Q So presumably they would be used for interrogation?
GEN. SCALES: No. No, no, no. They're interpreters. They'd just be used to translate.
Q In Oklahoma City?
GEN. SCALES: Again, I don't know where they'd be used.
(snip)
Q Perhaps to flog a horse here, why Arabic speakers? Were you told why?
GEN. SCALES: Well, the information I have from the FBI is that the -- of the different groups that have claimed responsibility, I think it's eight groups claimed responsibility for this incident and seven of them claim to be from the Middle Eastern countries, so it would just be logical to me that they would ask for Arabic-speaking translators.
[snip]
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The Times
April 20, 1995, Thursday
SECTION: Business
Up to 250 missing in US bombing
Martin Fletcher in Washington and Tom Rhodes in Oklahoma City
[snip]
Trembling with anger last night [Barf.], President Clinton denounced the bombing as an act of cowardice and evil against innocent children and defenceless citizens. He vowed that the bombers would be brought to justice, and ordered scores of explosives experts, secret service and military personnel to join the FBI on a special investigation team.
Mr Clinton also declared a state of emergency in Oklahoma and rushed disaster and medical aid workers to the state. The Pentagon sent medical-evacuation helicopters, search and rescue workers, bomb-sniffing dogs and ordnance experts, assisted by a robot, to help in the rescue effort.
Although the FBI said last night that it had no idea who was responsible for the explosion, it is believed to be concentrating its inquiries on the Middle East. The FBI is reported to have been closely watching several Middle East groups in recent months and yesterday it asked the Pentagon to lend it ten Arabic speakers.
The bureau also issued an alert for three men seen driving away in a hired brown Chevrolet pick-up truck with darkened windows just before the explosion. The passengers were described as Middle Eastern with dark hair and beards; one was in his early twenties and the other aged between 35 and 38.
(snip)
As Oklahoma was reeling from the blast yesterday, government buildings in seven other cities were evacuated after bomb scares and President Clinton ordered that security be tightened at all federal buildings, saying he was determined that government employees would be protected.
''I will not allow the people of this country to be intimidated by evil cowards,'' he declared. ''Let there be no doubt. We will find the people responsible who did this. When we do justice will be swift, certain and severe. These people are killers and must be treated like killers.''
Janet Reno, the Attorney-General, confirmed that the Administration would seek the death penalty when the bombers were caught and promised: ''The FBI will pursue every lead and use every resource to bring those responsible to justice.'' [Double barf.]
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The Washington Times
April 21, 1995, Friday [two days later...]
Clinton says borders won't block justice
Paul Bedard; THE WASHINGTON TIMES
President Clinton, angry and bitter about the bombing of a federal building in Oklahoma City [because it threatens to expose his impotency when dealing with foreign terrorists], yesterday said U.S. lawmen will fan out around the nation and the globe to hunt down those responsible for the deadly blast.
Flashing frustration that terrorists could strike in America's heartland, the president also made a veiled threat to order a military strike against any nation tied to the bombing.
"Whoever did it, we will find out, and there will be justice that will be swift and certain and severe," he said at a joint Rose Garden news conference with Brazilian President Fernando Henrique Cardoso. "Nobody can hide anyplace in this country, nobody can hide anyplace in this world from the terrible consequences of what has been done. . . . Make no mistake about it: This was an attack on the United States, our way of life and everything we believe in [and I'll figure out how to blame this on Rush somehow, some way."]
While refusing to detail military contingency plans, the president said: "Whoever did it, we'll get to the bottom of it, and then we'll take the appropriate action."
White House spokesman Michael McCurry said the president won't let any suspects in the bombing hide in rogue nations, as two suspects in the December 1988 bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, have done in Libya.
"The president is determined it won't happen again," Mr. McCurry said last night.
While urging Americans not to stereotype Arabs as terrorists, the president leveled his toughest threat since making good on a warning to attack Baghdad in June 1993 for plotting to kill former President George Bush.
The Pentagon has dispatched at least eight Arabic translators to the FBI for use in the investigation of the Oklahoma City bombing.
"We received a request [from the Justice Department] late yesterday to provide eight to 10 Arabic speakers, and we passed that requirement along to Forces Command" in Atlanta, said Army Maj. Gen. Robert Scales. He said the translators will be in Oklahoma City today.
Meanwhile, the FBI issued composite drawings of two suspects, both white men - one with a crew cut.
Administration officials said that although the bombing could have been orchestrated by foreign nations, it was more likely the work of a separate group. [It's now 2 days after the bombing and they're already starting Phase I of their strategy.]
That would make it like the February 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center in New York City, which was conducted by followers of a radical Egyptian sheik whose organization spread over New York and New Jersey. It was not state-sponsored terrorism.
The president is considering traveling to Oklahoma City on Sunday to attend a memorial service for the bombing victims.
He took several actions related to the bombing yesterday:
* He ordered flags lowered to half-staff until Monday. ["Ah feel your pain."]
* He released $5 million in federal disaster aid. ["Lemme' throw some money at it..."]
* He called in the Small Business Administration to help uninsured businesses hurt by the blast.
* He gave the hundreds of federal workers displaced by the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building an "excused absence," allowing them to stay away from work without losing pay.
* He said the federal government has increased security around its establishments. [President Clinton had already erected the fortifications in front of the White House and closed Pennsylvania Avenue in response to the "prior warnings" he had already received a few months earlier in 1995.]
"This is a law-abiding country, and neither the leaders nor the citizens of this country will permit it to be paralyzed by this kind of behavior," Mr. Clinton said. [True to his word, we'll see Bill start alluding to the right wing white extremists in the next article...]
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The Guardian (London)
April 21, 1995, Friday
Pg. 1
ARMED BOMBERS ON THE RUN;
FBI puts up $ 2m reward in search for 'extremely dangerous' white suspects
Martin Walker In Washington, Ian Katz In Oklahoma City, And Sally Weale[Phase 2: Bill Clinton continues steering everyone away from the Middle Eastern connection, such as the 3 men in the brown truck and Abraham Ahmad at Heathrow.]
A HUGE international manhunt was under way last night for two men, described as "armed and extremely dangerous", in connection with the Oklahoma City terrorist bombing.
FBI officials said the two white men (pictured above) had rented the truck which was traced through forensic evidence as the vehicle which contained the crude bomb of "thousands of pounds" of fertiliser and fuel oil used in Wednesday's attack.
The FBI issued descriptions and sketches of the two men and offered a $ 2 million reward for information leading to their capture. [What? No reward for Middle Easterners?]
Another man, described as a Jordanian-American [Abraham Ahmad], was detained at Heathrow where he had arrived on a flight from Chicago. He was sent back under escort to Washington by British immigration authorities. The US attorney-general, Janet Reno, said last night he was considered "a possible witness" rather than a suspect. [She's apparently gotten Bill's message and is already minimizing Ahmad's importance.] But the FBI officials in Oklahoma City denied a television report that three Arab men arrested by local police had any connection with the bombing. The focus of the inquiry appears to have shifted away from international terrorism to domestic suspects. [I guess the OKC guys have gotten the message by now, too.]
[snip]
The man detained at Heathrow's Terminal 4 yesterday morning had travelled alone on a British Airways flight from Chicago. He was said to be in his early to mid-20s, with jet black hair and moustache. He was stopped by immigration officials as he tried to board a flight to Rome. The man was held for several hours before being put on a flight back to the US arriving early today. He was expected to be taken to Andrews air force base, near Washington, for questioning.
Airport authorities in Rome working with the FBI seized three bags yesterday. Officials said the bags arrived unaccompanied on an Alitalia flight from Chicago en route to Amman, Jordan, and were checked in by the man stopped at Heathrow. The duffle bags contained no explosives, but material useful in bomb-making, authorities said. Among the items found were electrical tape, silicone, a hammer, tweezers and a photo album with pictures of missiles and weapons.
[snip]
Declaring "there is no place to hide" for the terrorists responsible for the bombing, President Clinton yesterday warned the American people they faced "an attack on the United States, against our way of life, against everything we believe in".
He announced a stepping up of security throughout the the US and at its embassies and offices abroad, and an aggressive deployment of police, intelligence and forensic resources to identify those responsible. [Shouldn't this have been done already? After all, he had already received two prior warnings!]
But with death threats pouring in against Arab-American organisations, Mr Clinton cautioned Americans not to jump to conclusions or succumb to racial or religious prejudices.
"This is not a question of anyone's country of origin. This is not a question of anyone's religion. This was murder. This was evil, this was wrong," he said.
While the priority in Oklahoma City remained the search and rescue operation looking for survivors at the devastated federal office building, the US government marshalled a team of its top anti-terrorist experts, including Arabic speakers from the Pentagon, to run the inquiry. A total of 300 federal agents, from the FBI and Treasury and customs, have been deployed on the case.
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The Guardian (London)
April 22, 1995, Saturday [Now three days after the bombing...]
Pg. 1
FBI ARREST BOMB SUSPECTS;
Oklahoma manhunt focuses on rightwing white extremists [Gasp!]
Martin Walker In Washington And Ian Katz In Oklahoma City
THE two men wanted by the FBI in connection with the Oklahoma bombing were being held last night as the hunt for the bombers homed in on a rightwing US paramilitary group.
The attorney-general, Janet Reno, announced that Timothy McVeigh, aged 27 - the man with a crewcut shown in sketches of two white suspects issued on Thursday - had been arrested for a traffic offence shortly after the bombing on Wednesday in Perry, 60 miles north of Oklahoma City. Found to be carrying a gun, he had been held since then.
And late last night the justice department said Terry Lynn Nichols - the second man shown in police sketches - had given himself up in Herington, Kansas. Officials said Mr Nichols was co-operating with detectives. Mr McVeigh's interrogation and subsequent inquiries led the FBI to the Michigan Militia headquarters, where arrest warrants were to be served on Terry Nichols and his brother James Douglas Nichols for involvement in the bombing of a government building in Oklahoma City in which more than 65 people are now confirmed dead. There is little hope that any of the 159 listed as missing will be found alive.
Armed FBI agents in black combat gear and body armour late yesterday searched the headquarters of the Michigan Militia, a rightwing group of gun enthusiasts [..DOUBLE gasp!] which believes the federal government is conspiring to rob Americans of their liberties. The building, in Decker, Michigan, is the home of James Nichols who officials said was present and was co-operating.
[snip]
Initial assumptions of Middle Eastern involvement had faded earlier in the day as the Jordanian-American returned to the US from Heathrow airport on Thursday was released with thanks after questioning, and the Pentagon stood down its teams of Arabic speakers who had been on standby to help. [But they were retained long enough to provide protection for Bill Clinton while he attended the Memorial Service.]
More than 1,600 leads had been phoned in to telephone hotlines, responding to the publication of two sketches of the suspects, who had rented a van in which the bomb was placed. It was enormous, estimated by the FBI to contain 4,000lbs of crude explosive, manufactured from ammonium nitrate fertiliser and fuel oil.
[snip]
The investigation was proceeding apace last night. "Searches are being made on several locations around the country," Ms Reno said. "Other arrest warrants are being served . . . There is a strong likelihood that other persons are involved in this tragedy."
President Clinton praised the rapid progress of the investigation. Of the bombers, he said: "We will find them, we will convict them and we will seek the death penalty for them." [And totally ignore all the evidence of Middle Eastern involvement.]
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CNN
SHOW: NEWS 3:43 am ET
April 22, 1995, Saturday
Arabs Prematurely Suspected by Media in Bomb Case [Clinton News Network to the rescue with spin control...]
RALPH BEGLEITER
Early media reports that officials suspected a Middle Eastern connection in the Oklahoma City bombing and subsequent revelation that Americans are likely responsible raise concerns about a rush to judgement.
LINDEN SOLES, Anchor: Well, overnight it appears that our- the object of America's wrath has shift- shifted form the image of a potential religious fanatic from another country to a home-grown bomber with a made-in-America grievance. But as CNN's world affairs correspondent Ralph Begleiter reports, that has caused serious damage to some of the people who were part of that early speculation.
RALPH BEGLEITER, International Affairs Correspondent: Within minutes of the bombing of the Oklahoma City Federal building, news reports published and broadcast worldwide began implicating as suspects, Middle Easterners, Arabs and Islamic groups [because of the numerous witnesses who were trying to report Middle Eastern men, brown pickup trucks, etc., etc.].
??: The suspect information backup on the screen for everyone that- if you haven't seen it or didn't have a chance to jot it down.
RALPH BEGLEITER: Unedited, live television reports got the ball rolling, but authorities including some elected officials quickly reinforced the idea that non-Americans could be responsible for the crime [before they got the message to shut the hell up].
??: There was a convention in Oklahoma City at the Cowboy Hall of Fame of fundamentalists that had, as their speakers, members of Islamic groups such as Islamic Jihad or the radical group Hamas, which is involved in terrorism.
RALPH BEGLEITER: Globally respected news media including newspapers and television were quick to seize on suggestions from officials that well-known Middle Eastern terrorist groups were suspects. The British government's announcement that a, quote, 'Possible suspect, ' unquote, had been detained in London, and later disclosures that he was a Jordanian-American on a flight to Amman [sp] fueled reporting about international suspects. Defense Secretary William Perry was peppered by reporters assuming Middle East connection [due in part to those "unedited, live (a.k.a. "uncensored") television reports"], and disclosed the Pentagon had offered Arabic language interpreters to investigators. Top U.S. officials said publicly there was no evidence of an international connection [It must have taken 3 days before those "top U.S. officials" were able to fully disseminate the message to the "peon law enforcement officers and FBI field agents" that rightwing, white extremists like Rush Limbaugh were responsible. (For some reason, the name 'Terrence Yeakey' comes to mind here)].
Pres. BILL CLINTON: There have been lots of twists and turns in this investigation, but I would say to the American people, we should not assume, as I said yesterday, that we should not assume that any people from beyond our borders are involved, and that we should not assume anything except- except what we know. [LOL! "And by the way, I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman... Miz Lewinsky."]
RALPH BEGLEITER: But privately, officials said they were leaning toward Middle Eastern terrorism explanations for the Oklahoma blast. Arab groups who have used car bombs before were listed for reporters, but those groups quickly and plainly denied any involvement.
RALPH BEGLEITER: Iran's president, too, issued an unequivocal disavowal of the Oklahoma bomb, but as Americans grieved and grew angrier over the tragedy, they refused to believe that the root of the blast might be domestic. One U.S. official told CNN this week, 'Americans don't do car bombs, ' and the damage had already been done. Arab-Americans, again, became objects of hate.
NIHAD AWAD, Council on American-Islamic Relation: Ever since the news went- that Middle-Easterners or Muslims could be suspects, that thing just took off, and all over the country, especially those mosques or centers or cities that had been shown on TV as, you know, safe haven for potential suspects. They had received threats.
RALPH BEGLEITER: It has become commonplace for journalists to rush to publish tidbits of major investigations as they unfold. Months of conflicting reports about the O.J. Simpson murder case make the point, and the blast investigation is no exception.
Pres. BILL CLINTON: I understand why you want to do it. It's perfectly understandable and appropriate, but it- it's not ripe yet. [WHAT'S not "ripe yet?!]
RALPH BEGLEITER: The advent of instantaneous transmission of news reports has shortened the time journalists take to report a story, and pressures officials to draw conclusions. [Spin control at its finest, Ralph.]
Dr. Sun Yat-sen ~ the founding father of modern China
Carl Andreas Strassmeier ~ ach
Hussain Al Hussain ~ plaintiff
Jose Padilla ~ quien sabe
Jayna Davis ~ 22 affidavits and they put you on the day shift
Bill Clinton ~ fellatee, traitor, rapist, father of Reichstag Fire II
FBI ~ Hurry up with those ten Arabic translators!
John Doe No. 2 ~ poof
The FBI stomped BATF agent Angela Finney over what her CI Carol Howe uncovered at Elohim City --
The FBI provided Clinton with 1,000 files on Republicans and Reichstag Fire II
They've assured us there is no Middle Eastern connection here
The files are archived in the Richard Jewell wing of the J. Edgar Hoover Building. . . .
"On the day of the bombing, a highly regarded intelligence source in Saudi Arabia told Vincent Cannistraro, then the chief of counterterrorism at the CIA, that an Iraqi terrorism team was assessing targets to attack in Oklahoma City, Los Angeles and Houston. The Saudi informant, a member of the Saudi Counterterrorism Service, stated that he had seen the target list and first on the list was the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. "
This demands attention. This article is devastating in its factual implications. And the voices on the ground in Okla. City for days and weeks and months after the attack were trying to get this information to the FBI head office of the bombing-for some reason located in Denver.
Affadavits refering to the middle eastern men, as seen by witnesses, were REFUSED by JANET RENO's FBI office in Denver.
This article CRYS out for attention from the main stream media. Our nation, WE, each of us, DESERVE to know what happened there. The Klintons and their reign of terror simply lied to us TOO MUCH....that is why their treachery will NEVER EVER FADE.