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Group [of dissenting Catholics] hands condoms to arriving pilgrims [at world youth day].
National Post ^ | Saturday, July 20, 2002 | Odile Nelson

Posted on 07/20/2002 12:40:17 PM PDT by patent

Group hands condoms to arriving pilgrims
Catholic reformists: 'Don't leave it up to your Guardian Angel,' World Youth Day participants advised
Odile Nelson
National Post
Saturday, July 20, 2002

A Catholic youth group distributed condoms to World Youth Day pilgrims at Pearson International Airport yesterday because it was concerned the delegates would not follow the Church's teaching of abstinence during next week's religious gathering.

"I think abstinence is a great thing for everybody who can manage that. But it doesn't work for everyone. It's not reality," Tobias Raschke, spokesperson for the International Movement We Are Church, said yesterday.

The group seeks to revitalize the Catholic Church by reforming its doctrine.

Mr. Raschke said condoms should be included in information kits at all World Youth Days because they promote sex education and prevent sexually transmitted diseases and unwanted pregnancies.

His organization anticipates handing out 10,000 condoms before World Youth Day ends next week.

Earlier this year, another reform group announced it would distribute condoms to youth delegates that would carry the slogan "Don't leave it up to your Guardian Angel."

The Vatican officially preaches sexual abstinence before marriage and has banned the use of condoms by its parishioners.

World Youth Day officials will not supply the expected 250,000 delegates with prophylactics and some Canadian priests have warned their congregations against accepting free handouts from reformists.

A priest in North Battleford, Sask., recently sent off his parish's youth delegation by reminding them they were "not going to World Youth Day for condoms."

But in a February interview, Monsignor Peter Schonenbach, general secretary of the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops, seemed ambivalent about reform groups distributing condoms. "It's a free country. They can do what they want.... The church is stuck with its position on this," he said.

Delegates wanting to have protected sex during the religious festival will have to rely on groups like Mr. Raschke's or Toronto Public Health for free handouts.

Doctor Bonnie Henry, an associate medical officer at Toronto Public Health, said the organization has brought in extra condoms for the event but no more than it would for any other summer festival.

She acknowledged some health officials are concerned the Church's stance on condoms may lead to a proliferation of chlamydia cases after the event, but she said Toronto Public Health considers World Youth Day to be a low-risk event.

Last August, the Church issued a statement saying the promotion of condoms was an immoral and misguided weapon in the battle against HIV/AIDS. It said condoms go against human dignity, change the act of love into a "selfish search for pleasure" and may even be one of the main reasons for the spread of HIV/AIDS because they do not encourage self-control.


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1 posted on 07/20/2002 12:40:17 PM PDT by patent
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2 posted on 07/20/2002 12:43:32 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: patent
I didn't think this deserved a seperate article, but I thought I'd add it here. I recall making the statement when I first heard about this group that any Catholic group coming out of Wellesley must be somewhat liberal. I don't think I have to retract that yet.
Theologians back lay Catholics' bid for greater voice

by Eric Convey

Saturday, July 20, 2002

Nearly 5,000 lay Catholics assembling in Boston to launch a bid to democratize the church began their campaign yesterday by releasing a letter of support from academic theologians.

Some 60 professors or advanced students signed the petition backing the effort by Voice of the Faithful, the group that began in a Wellesley church basement six months ago and is drawing attendees from 30 states and several countries to today's conference.

``As Catholic theologians, we support the rights and responsibilities of lay Catholics . . . to gather in the spirit of Christ, who dwells within the whole church,'' the petition states.

The endorsement includes references to Vatican II documents that appear to suggest an active role for lay people.

The Archdiocese of Boston declined comment yesterday on the Voice of the Faithful event. On two previous occasions, a bishop met with the group's leaders to discuss its relationship to archdiocesan officials.

While stopping short of calling for Bernard Cardinal Law's resignation, Voice of the Faithful leaders have been highly critical of his handling of the sex abuse scandal. The group's slogan is: ``Keep the faith; change the church.''

Largely by exercising financial muscle, the group hopes to force the church hierarchy into including lay people more in decision-making.

The activists also want bishops held ``accountable'' to their flocks, spokesman Michael Emerton said at a Faneuil Hall news conference yesterday.

Emerton described today's meeting as ``the beginning of a constitutional process.''

``We are coming together to build a new church where the laity assumes a rightful role in its governance,'' he said.

The potentially confrontational stance toward church hierarchy has led some conservative Catholics to question Voice of the Faithful's motives. The critics' argument is essentially that Catholics should willingly accept guidance from the bishops who are appointed to oversee local flocks. They say that otherwise, they might as well become Protestants.

Many of the theologians who signed the petition in support of the Voice of the Faithful are known for what are essentially liberal positions on church governance.

Organizers such as Mary Scanlon Calcatera, a Wellesley resident, are undeterred by criticism.

``We're moving beyond words and we're getting down to work,'' she said.

Groups representing survivors of clergy sexual abuse will play an active role in today's daylong conference. Leaders of several national organizations praised Voice of the Faithful yesterday for reaching out to victims.

``We think this is an historic weekend, not just for the Catholic laity but for the Catholic Church,'' said Mark Serrano, a New Jersey resident and board member of the Survivors Network for those Abused by Priests, or SNAP.

Barbara Blaine, who founded SNAP, clutched a picture of herself taken when she was 12 - the same time during which she said she was molested by a parish priest. ``Thank you so much for coming together to support victims,'' she said.

Today's events will also include the presentation of an award to the Rev. Thomas Doyle, who is being singled out as a ``Priest of Integrity'' for his work to combat clergy sex abuse. He co-authored a 1985 church report on the problem that was eventually tabled but in hindsight appears almost prophetic.

Doyle yesterday credited the media with helping bring the problem to light.

Singling out the Herald, The Boston Globe and a Louisiana newspaper for praise, he said: ``We would not be standing here today because this cancer would still be hidden.''

In a reversal, some tickets to today's event are expected to be available this morning at the door of the Hynes Veterans Memorial Convention Center in the Back Bay.



3 posted on 07/20/2002 12:44:47 PM PDT by patent
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To: father_elijah; Antoninus; aposiopetic; Salvation; ELS; nina0113; Steve0113; el_chupacabra; ...
Bumping. Let me know if you want on or off the list. Click my screen name for a description.

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4 posted on 07/20/2002 12:45:42 PM PDT by patent
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thank you for the post. I first read about this in the Judie Brown Report early in the year. These "Catholics" are quite a trip.
5 posted on 07/20/2002 12:49:16 PM PDT by Scholastic
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To: patent
Yep, that's our problem, not enough sex.
6 posted on 07/20/2002 12:53:12 PM PDT by happytobealive
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"We think this is an historic weekend, not just for the Catholic laity but for the Catholic Church,'' said Mark Serrano, a New Jersey resident and board member of the Survivors Network for those Abused by Priests, or SNAP.

So this victim of sex abuse thinks society needs more free sex?

7 posted on 07/20/2002 12:58:14 PM PDT by happytobealive
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A Catholic youth group distributed condoms to World Youth Day pilgrims at Pearson International Airport yesterday because it was concerned the delegates would not follow the Church's teaching of abstinence during next week's religious gathering.

This is the sort of thing that brings me to tears but also strengthens me to resist such anti-Catholic "Catholics".

8 posted on 07/20/2002 1:00:42 PM PDT by Siobhan
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To: happytobealive
Yes, that is why I went to the Couple to Couple League Convention last month and saw families with 4,5, and 6 children. Us Catholics are just so sexually repressed!

Just out of curiosity, has this kind of stuff been a problem at past WYD's? I would think that the kids who are participating hold higher standards than most of the general population (adults included). I mean, just because you are getting a bunch of young people together doesn't mean an orgy will happen.
9 posted on 07/20/2002 1:02:41 PM PDT by Okies love Dubya 2
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To: happytobealive
>>>>So this victim of sex abuse thinks society needs more free sex?

Its such a common thread running through our problems today.

Dissenters at world youth day think our kids traveled all this way to have sex, and think they need thousands of condoms. They can't imagine a world where kids actually came together to pray. Its just completely unfeasible to them.

I don't know where voice of the faithful comes down on these things, as I think for now they avoid the questions, but so many of the groups out there think part of the solution to our clergy scandal is to allow our priests to marry, etc., as they can't imagine these poor men having to live without sex. The authentically CAtholic worldview is so out of style today.

Anymore, it isn't that they reject us and our view. Its that they can't even comprehend it.

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10 posted on 07/20/2002 1:03:45 PM PDT by patent
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So this victim of sex abuse thinks society needs more free sex?

No. The article about the meeting of the Voice of the Faithful has nothing to do with World Youth Day.

11 posted on 07/20/2002 1:09:39 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: patent
No surprise here.
Considering it's from Wellesley and Boston!
12 posted on 07/20/2002 1:10:51 PM PDT by LuigiBasco
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To: Siobhan
Just finished reading Windswept House and this looks like the beginning of the sequel!
13 posted on 07/20/2002 1:39:00 PM PDT by Domestic Church
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Just out of curiosity, has this kind of stuff been a problem at past WYD's?

Yes, in Denver in 1993. Someone hired a plane with a banner that said "Use Birth Control" to fly over the stadium. Its just the same kind of desperate-for-attention crowd who protest topless against meat and do other publicity stunts.

14 posted on 07/20/2002 1:50:29 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: patent
The group seeks to revitalize the Catholic Church by reforming its doctrine.

Reform doctrine through trickery like this? It won't happen. In fact, they will be called to account for these secular acts when they die.

15 posted on 07/20/2002 2:29:19 PM PDT by Salvation
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"...any Catholic group coming out of Wellesley must be somewhat liberal. I don't think I have to retract that yet."

No, dear Patent, you don't have to retract it. I spent the "formative" years of my life in Laxachusetts and nearly all of my adult life trying to shake the liberal monkey off my back. (Whenever anyone asks where I'm from, I respond "Florida" because that's where I escaped to 26 years ago...). You are so right.....[sigh]

What say you, .45MAN? PING!

16 posted on 07/20/2002 2:37:03 PM PDT by dansangel
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"Revitalize?" Yeah, like all the "revitalized" (i.e., doctrine-free) Protestant churches that are dying on the vine.
17 posted on 07/20/2002 2:38:35 PM PDT by livius
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Earlier this year, another reform group announced it would distribute condoms to youth delegates that would carry the slogan "Don't leave it up to your Guardian Angel."

This is just tragic and terribly sad.

18 posted on 07/20/2002 2:38:59 PM PDT by american colleen
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Re: Voice of the "Faithful" - I try to follow them fairly closely as I live in Massachusetts. Here is what I think is a pretty good essay on them. They had a big meeting today and I am waiting to see the "take" on it in tomorrow's newsapapers.

Voice of Dissenters

Dale O'Leary

According the New York Times, May 31, 2002, a group called Voice of the Faithful has been formed in Wellesley MA and claims to have 10,000 members in 40 states and 21 countries.

The Voice of the Faithful presents itself as coalition of laity and religious, progressives and conservatives. A visit to the group's website Voice of the Faithful reveals that a group is using the crisis to forward a long-standing objective of Catholic dissenters ˆthe democratization of the Catholic Church.

According to the biographic information Dr. Jim Muller, the group‚s founder, is "a devout catholic, medical researcher, and accomplished peace movement activist" has been a Catholic his entire life. Dr. Muller attended Joan of Arc grade school and Cathedral High School in Indianapolis, Indiana. He attended Notre Dame for College and Georgetown for Graduate Studies in Russian History."He is a medical doctor "one of 3 American Co-founders of the International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War (IPPNW). Many of the lessons learned in developing that movement are being utilized to aid the growth of VOTF."

Muller explains his vision in a slide show posted on the website, in which he identifies the "underlying cause"of the problem of "pedophilic priests"and "institutional cover-up"as "Centralized Power, with No Voice of the Faithful"The solution: executive, legislative, and judicial power within the church exercised by clergy in conjunction with the liberal and conservative laity. A schematic of the "changed church"shows the new power structure which includes a "Constitution for Voice."Nowhere on the website was there an explanation of exactly how this would work. Muller did include a schematic of "The Checks and Balances of the United States Government." Perhaps he looks forward to the day when the Church reconstitutes itself as a representative democracy.

Voice of the Faithful covets power. The problem is they don‚t understand power. Several Greek words in the New Testament are translated in the English text as "power‰: Kratos (kratos) refers to brute strength; Dunamis (dunamis) to spiritual power, often the power to work miracles; and Exousia (exousia) refers to delegated authority. Exousia appears 101 times sometimes translated as power, sometimes as authority. It always refers to power delegated through a hierarchical structure.

The key to understanding exousia is found in the story of the Centurion who says "I am a man under authority (exousia)."The Centurion understood that his authority over his men did not come not from his personal charisma or his ability to physically coerce obedience, but from the fact that he was part of a hierarchical structure which had the emperor as its head and put the entire weight of the Roman Empire behind his orders. The Centurion recognized that same kind of authority in Jesus.

If dissenters are interested in the dunamis/power of the spirit to work signs and wonders which comes to believers -- male and female, lay and clergy -- as a gift of the Holy Spirit, let them ask and they shall receive from the Father who is generous in his gifts.

But if they want exousia/power/authority they must be told that such power comes only to obedient servants who are part of a God-ordained hierarchical structure. And since obedience and hierarchy are, for most dissenters, anathema, true exousia/power/authority will never be theirs.

Dissenters reject the Biblical concept of power. Those covet "power"in the Church because they want to change the teachings of the Church. For them power would give them the right to determine the content of Catholic moral theology and to impose it on others. They want the power to decide what is right and what is wrong, what the Church shall teach about faith and morals, and how those teachings shall be implemented.

Unfortunately, today we face a situation in which dissenters have gained positions within the hierarchy and church leadership. They have not been able to change the teachings of the Church, but they have caused confusion and suffering. When a person in a position of authority refuses to obey the authority over him ˆ in this case the clear teachings of the Church and Holy Father -- but demands obedience of those under him, he becomes a tyrant. If he uses his position to undermine the source of authority, he is a saboteur.

Voice of the Faithful wishes itself to be seen as a coalition of liberal and conservative Catholics who, once a "democratic"Church has been established, would share power. According to Muller‚s schematic, the laity would strengthen the Church by providing insight on "understanding sexuality", "representative democracy,"and the "equality of women."Would this mean that there would be a vote on whether homosexuals could marry, contraception was okay, women could be ordained, and pastors should be elected?

Conservative Catholics frustrated by the failures of the bishops in a number of areas may be tempted to join this movement, but they will be wasting their energy. The Church needs holy, faithful bishops, holy faithful priests, and holy faithful laity. Giving the laity a voice in the determination of Church teaching would not produce obedience to the truth which the Church is commissioned by God to guard and transmit.

Let us be clear, the teachings of the Catholic Church on sexuality, marriage, and life cannot and will not be changed. Women cannot be ordained Catholic priests. While the rule on celibacy could be modified, it will not be; indeed the controversy is leading to a renewed defense of celibacy in the Roman Rite.

The Voice of the Faithful will fail to achieve its stated objective. The Catholic Church will not be reconstituted as a representative democracy. The activities of the Voice will, however, cause increased alienation within the laity, diminish support for the truth the Church teaches, and provide fodder for New York Times and Boston Globe reporters. ,P. Posted 7:52 AM by John Mallon

19 posted on 07/20/2002 2:49:07 PM PDT by american colleen
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That was an interesting article. What is the source?
20 posted on 07/20/2002 2:56:32 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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