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Social Security Checks Called 'Silent Raid' On Illegals
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | July 14, 2002 | Dawn House

Posted on 07/14/2002 3:28:24 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan

Social Security Checks Called 'Silent Raid' On Illegals

Sunday, July 14, 2002

BY DAWN HOUSE (c) 2002, THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE

The 30-year-old Mexican immigrant fights back tears as he talks about what awaits his family now that he has been fired from his job because his Social Security number didn't match federal records.

"There is nothing there for us," says the Salt Lake City man as he puts his arm around his daughter and talks about his possible deportation to Mexico.

The former welder is among the 500 to 700 Mexican nationals who have contacted their country's consulate in Salt Lake City this year for help after receiving notices from bosses that they have been or will be fired because their Social Security numbers are invalid.

"The number is astounding," Mexican Consul Martin Torres said of the calls.

"Unfortunately, we must tell people that if their documentation is improper, there is nothing we can do except make sure that employers do not take advantage of the situation, that they pay whatever wages are owing."

The Utah cases appear to be a small manifestation of what Angela Kelly, deputy director of the National 15 Immigration Forum, fears is -- in effect, if not intent -- a nationwide crackdown on illegal immigration.

So far this year, the Social Security Administration has mailed 750,000 letters to the nation's employers that said some of their workers' names and Social Security numbers didn't match the federal database. The number of "no match" letters sent out this year is up dramatically from the 110,000 sent out last year, according to Social Security spokesman Mark Lassiter. He said the initiative is simply part of a longtime effort to catch mistakes that could deprive U.S. workers of Social Security benefits.

"Concerns about national security, along with the growing problem of identity theft, have caused us to accelerate our efforts," Social Security Commissioner Jo Anne Barnhart said last month.

But Kelly said the stepped-up effort amounts to "a silent raid against undocumented workers."

"This is a high stakes policy that the Bush administration is pursuing," she said. "It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know a lot of the people with invalid Social Security numbers are working here illegally. This will have a ripple effect that people across the country will feel."

It is estimated that 8 million to 14 million workers in the United States are undocumented, including 4 million Mexican nationals.

"The initiative is not about undocumented workers," said Bill Bates, Social Security Western states employer liaison officer. "It's about eligible workers getting all the money that is rightfully coming to them."

The Social Security Administration cannot match 7 million to 10 million numbers, he said.

The Social Security form letter clearly states the information should not be used as the basis for discrimination or firing, and that it is not a determination of an employee's immigration status. Marital name changes or even typographical errors can result in mismatches.

The Social Security Administration has no enforcement powers, and it cannot share information with the Immigration and Naturalization Service -- but the IRS can. Under Section 6721 of the Internal Revenue Code, employers can be fined $50 for each invalid Social Security number, up to $250,000 a year.

IRS representatives in Denver and Washington, D.C., refused numerous times to comment on whether the agency is stepping up enforcement against employers whose workers have invalid numbers on tax forms, except to say that fines have been imposed in the past. But employers -- many of whom never received notifications before -- are taking the notices seriously.

At a May meeting of the American Payroll Association in San Antonio, Jerry Michael, chief of the IRS Information Branch, "shocked the audience by saying that these penalties would actually be applied" against employers whose W-2 forms have mismatched names and Social Security numbers, according to a newsletter from the 21,000-member group.

Tom Burger, IRS program manager for employment taxes, was also quoted as saying that penalties would start for the 2002 tax year and that employers could expect IRS notices by mid-2004.

IRS spokesman Jesse Weller would not confirm the report and refused to comment on the issue.

But Norm Goldstein, a Social Security senior financial executive who attended the Texas conference, said that "while what may have been quoted in the newsletter was accurate, the individuals' comments may have been premature." He would not elaborate.

In June, Social Security Employer Liaison Officer Bill Brees told 250 attorneys at the American Immigration Lawyers Association's meeting in San Francisco that the IRS will be conducting follow-up investigations of mismatched Social Security numbers, said panel moderator Nancy Jo Merritt. Brees was unavailable for comment and Goldstein said neither he nor Brees is empowered to speak for the IRS.

John Gay of the American Hotel and Lodging Association said his group has "gotten the message" and alerted its 13,000 members with properties. The National Restaurant Association has also notified its 244,000 members of the IRS initiative.

"Our greatest concern is making sure that employers have a clear mandate from the various entities of the government," said Brandon Flanagan of the restaurant association. "But until we know what that mandate is, we're stressing to our members that the notification from the Social Security Administration is not grounds for dismissal."

Said Teressa Brown of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce: "This initiative is causing confusion, uncertainty and upheaval in the workforce. We're asking for a meeting with the IRS to find out exactly what the government's intentions are."

Washington-D.C. attorney Laura Reiff said she is representing one New York company which has notified 200 of its workers they have invalid Social Security numbers.

Torres said about 100 companies have contacted the Mexican Consulate in Salt Lake City asking for information on how to legalize workers, which he said "undoubtedly has to do with the notification letters."

In Salt Lake City, Mark Steel Corp. has fired 18 employees, Utah Medical Products has terminated six, and three workers failed to show up for their state government jobs after they were told to work out number discrepancies, according to agency and company representatives.

"We would have been happy to have these people as employees if they had the proper documentation, but we had no choice," said Paul Richards of Utah Medical Products. "It is clear that the government is becoming more aggressive at enforcing immigration laws."

Newspaper Agency Corp., the advertising arm of The Salt Lake Tribune and the Deseret News, received notices of at least 10 invalid worker numbers. The company is investigating the problem.

Hunter Douglas Fabrication Co. has informed from 150 to 200 workers nationwide -- including 50 workers at its plant in Murray -- that they must work out discrepancies with the Social Security Administration within 90 days or face possible termination.

"We're waiting to see exactly where we stand at the end of the 90 days before we take any action," said Chris Outlaw, the firm's vice president and general counsel. "We certainly don't want to lose these employees."

Some employees have left their jobs rather than explain the discrepancies, said Provo attorney Jose Silva, who is representing 15 workers notified by five companies that they could be fired.

"The employers' main concern is that they want to keep these employees," Silva said, "but depending on the workers' legal status, there may be nothing they can do, especially if the Internal Revenue Service or the Immigration and Naturalization Service become involved."

Miguel Monterrubio, spokesman for the Mexican Embassy in Washington, D.C., said Mexican officials have asked consulates across the United States to determine how many expatriates are being affected by the notification letters.

"We are making a diagnosis of the implications of this," he added, "to find possible solutions."

Mexican President Vicente Fox has called the estimated 4 million migrants working in the United States heroes. Money sent home by expatriates is a large source of income for Mexico's economy.

Michael Martinez, an attorney and former chairman of the Utah Advisory Board to the U.S. Civil Rights Commission, said employers risk lawsuits if they are unaware of labor and anti-discrimination laws and they single out employees for questioning. He also said that because Utah allows tax identification numbers for purposes of employment, workers do not have to produce Social Security numbers.

Meantime, the fired Utah welder, who asked not to be named because of fear of deportation, said that without a job he will lose his Salt Lake County home.

Other undocumented Mexican workers have been allowed to return to their former company, he said, but at reduced pay and with no benefits.

"I can't live on that pay," he said. "And if I turn in the company I'll be deported. Besides, the people who work there are my friends."


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: crime; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; invasion
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To: FITZ
And you don't think the guy was planning to use his fake Social Security number to take out "his" money eventually?

Not if his social security number doesn't match up with government records, no.
61 posted on 07/14/2002 4:49:13 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: elbucko; dennisw
Yeah, post that in braile will ya Dennis?
62 posted on 07/14/2002 4:49:13 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: pnz1
I used to process new employees in a police department. I completed the I-9 and had to have driver's license and original Social Security card which I copied and sent to government. It may have required more, I can't remember. I wasn't required to verify, just supply the information.
63 posted on 07/14/2002 4:49:18 PM PDT by maranatha
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To: maranatha
Did you notice in the hand-wringing article that these poor people who have have entered our country illegally and falsified government documents are referred to as; "expatriates", "undocumented workers", and "Mexican Nationals"?

This is usually the way the press refers to them, rarely do they call them what they are anymore- illegal aliens, or lawbreakers. Their attempt at PCing us into submission is having no effect fortunately.

64 posted on 07/14/2002 4:50:22 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: norton
"those mexicans" did take jobs away from someone, maybe not from anyone posting here, but a quick check of the unemployment office in any major city will turn up a bunch of legal Americans that would be no more difficult to train to sweep up or bus tables than the average colombian border crossser.

Exactly right you are. My son just got his driver's license and insurance for him is astronomical. I assume next he wants his own car. I cannot afford the insurance or the car, so he has to get a job. Not all of us parents can afford to treat our children like spoiled brats, some kids have to work. In fact, I would not have it any other way, if he works for it, he will appreciate it more. So my son will not be sticking his nose up at any job like some posters on this forum imply. Some American kids really do work and need the jobs.

65 posted on 07/14/2002 4:50:49 PM PDT by healey22
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To: healey22

That low paying Restrauant job that "americans don't want" will wind up paying your son between $40,000 and $60,000 a year if he sticks with it and get's into managment.

He can be in the mid to high twenties in a year or less if he's polite, fast, makes good decisions and has a good attitude.

These aren't all throwaway jobs we are talking about here.. despite claims to to the contrary.

66 posted on 07/14/2002 4:53:55 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Tancredo Fan
THESE PARASITES ARE TAKING JOBS AWAY FROM AMERICAN CITIZENS WHO NEED THEM. SEND ALL THESE MF-ING ILLEGAL ALIENS BACK TO MEXICO.
67 posted on 07/14/2002 4:55:13 PM PDT by glockmeister40
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To: healey22
How about the states like TN that allow a driver's license for them?
68 posted on 07/14/2002 4:58:06 PM PDT by pnz1
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To: healey22
You've got that right. Our town was small so my son had to work at United Supermarket bagging groceries and later at a fast food to help pay for his car to drive to a community college in a nearby town while we tried to scrape enough money together to pay his tuition, healthcare and other support. He made minimum wage, but needed it! And he was a good worker, intelligent and charming, and LEGAL.
69 posted on 07/14/2002 4:58:38 PM PDT by maranatha
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To: pnz1
I have been working there since 1989. Do I still have to fill out this I-9 form?
70 posted on 07/14/2002 5:05:42 PM PDT by PatriotReporter
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To: Tancredo Fan
Read later bump!!

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71 posted on 07/14/2002 5:06:00 PM PDT by Geezerette
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Can someone please explain to me why are we giving up some of our liberties and freedom !!.when it was foreignors that done this terrorist act.

It seems to me that we would cut off all Visa's and close our boarders.

And let the foreignors pay the price for this terrorists act on America

,NOT AMERICAN

72 posted on 07/14/2002 5:07:40 PM PDT by PatriotReporter
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To: pnz1
How about the states like TN that allow a driver's license for them?

You would think that after all the bad press after 9-11 that they would of changed this practice. Whatever happened to the investigation of the DMV employee who was selling license's to Arab illegals and was found fried to a crisp in her car?

73 posted on 07/14/2002 5:08:01 PM PDT by healey22
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To: PatriotReporter
Sorry, I'm not sure.
74 posted on 07/14/2002 5:08:31 PM PDT by pnz1
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To: pnz1

State issued DL and a SS card are all you need.

(They also accept other arcane combinations of documents, but I forget which ones right now.)

75 posted on 07/14/2002 5:09:43 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: dr_who
Don't be too pleased. A portion of the money they were earning is going into your social security...

and a portion of our tax dollars goes to provide them with free medical care and other benefits

Out here in the west most of the drug smuggling is done by mexicans. In looking at the arrest reports in my local newspaper, most of the people getting arrested are mexicans. They cost us much, much more than they ever produce. I'll take my chances with a bunch of unemployed mexicans running around the US. They are ILLEGAL aliens and need to be deported with no delays. In regard to resturant jobs, let american citizens decide if they want to work in resturants. Jobs are hard to come by these days.

76 posted on 07/14/2002 5:11:13 PM PDT by glockmeister40
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To: Tancredo Fan
Oh my God!
Might be deported back to his country of citizenship?

How inhumane!
How utterly mean-spirited!

Wow.

77 posted on 07/14/2002 5:12:21 PM PDT by Publius6961
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To: PatriotReporter
And let the foreignors pay the price for this terrorists act on America

NOT AMERICAN

I hear you and agree 100%. Now if we could only get Uncle Sam to as well.

78 posted on 07/14/2002 5:12:38 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Jhoffa_
yes, all american employers have to do is look at the documents, many employers save a photo-copy too so they can show they thought it was a real document. The employees who are illegal need only purchase illegal documents on the black market. The mexican illegals can purchase documents very easily. I've seen potential employees in an office unable to get hired because they didn't have the docs, then they ask questions carefully about what docs they need, then they leave, then they come back 2 hours later with lots of brand new docs, then they have to look at their brand new driver's license to see what their name is. Everyone knows it is a scam and it just goes on. If we wanted to stop the scam, then we'd require employers to verify the validity of the document by some kind of a computer check, just as a credit card company requires that you check over a modem at point of sale to see that the credit card is real before you authorize a sale through the credit card. Reagan wanted to do that, but the other politicians in Washington simply won't allow it. In other words, the politicians are in on the scam. The americans overwhelmingly want to end illegal immigration, their will is ignored even in their own nation by the authorities that they themselves elected.
79 posted on 07/14/2002 5:14:53 PM PDT by Red Jones
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To: Tancredo Fan
Go Home, Pedro!
80 posted on 07/14/2002 5:18:24 PM PDT by Spiff
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