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Expert: Body dumped after defendant fell under suspicion (SO WHO DUMPED DANIELLE VAN DAM'S BODY??)
Union Trib ^ | July 11, 2002 | Steve Perez/Greg Magnus

Posted on 07/11/2002 6:47:45 AM PDT by FresnoDA

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To: John Jamieson
They're not supposed to make up their minds this early,

While there has been concern that those of us who think the prosecution is doing a fine job of presenting their case don't understand the rules of law, maybe it would be wise to consider the huge chorus of "Not Guilty" yesterday after Bug Guy's testimony.

They are entitled to their opinion and others with another POV to theirs. I shall not smugly imply that others don't comprehend such.

This is not directed just to you John.

561 posted on 07/11/2002 4:01:44 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: MizSterious
I have it on good authority that this guy has been seen hanging around FR threads. Be watchful.......


562 posted on 07/11/2002 4:01:57 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: truth_seeker
Will they use that as an alibi? He couldn't have done it if he was that drunk.

Could a drunk in a blackout enter a home they were never in and be so stealthful not to disturb anyone? Driving home, almost a habit, automatic, while blacked out, I could understand. Abducting and killing a girl is another matter.

interesting point.

longjack

563 posted on 07/11/2002 4:02:13 PM PDT by longjack
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To: Henrietta
http://www.sandiegochannel.com
564 posted on 07/11/2002 4:02:35 PM PDT by EllaMinnow
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To: UCANSEE2
He had Damon do it for him, since Damon was going to be out and about that weekend anyway.
565 posted on 07/11/2002 4:02:41 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: redlipstick
Indeed. I shall go do some reading. Thanks for the headsup!
566 posted on 07/11/2002 4:05:28 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Henrietta
What hit me was the evidence that the body was protected from flys before the 16th and exposed to them after. That's the weekend of Damon's trip between all the suspected dump sites. That's what set me over the edge. The 2/16 mystery phone call also fits.
567 posted on 07/11/2002 4:06:19 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: truth_seeker
And his former girlfriend testified that she broke up with him due to his heavy drinking.
568 posted on 07/11/2002 4:06:27 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: MizSterious

There is a fascinating relationship with regard to these Van Dam threads....

1.    As the discussion of BUGS becomes more prevalent....

2.    More and more hysterical VDA's (VAN DAM APOLOGIST'S) are coming out of the woodwork....

CONCLUSION:

Many theories are going up in smoke, at least as far as the lily-white image of BENDER VD and The Demon goes.....


569 posted on 07/11/2002 4:07:21 PM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA
Good observation, Frez.
570 posted on 07/11/2002 4:08:06 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: truth_seeker
I believe in a fairly high probability that DAW had an alcohol problem, and commited it in a full blackout.

T.S. How did a DRUNK to the point of BLACKOUT man get into the VD home, kidnap/kill the girl, and get her out without anyone, the dog, Damon, the boys, noticing, and while NOT LEAVING ONE SCRAP of TRACE EVIDENCE.

I mean, otherwise, I would be with you. I could see due to the motions and such, but how can you explain away what I asked?

571 posted on 07/11/2002 4:08:11 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
Post 562, they're all over the ctv bbs. I had to leave that place. Talk about assinine theories!! That bbs is nothing but....assinine!
572 posted on 07/11/2002 4:08:41 PM PDT by the Deejay
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To: John Jamieson
Dehesa road is a windy two lane road at the bottom of a small canyon. Dehesa road runs East/West. Singing Hills golf course is on the south side of Dehesa road nestled in amongst huge cottonwood trees. Any dirt access roads would have to be climbing the hill. The houses out there are high up the hills and scattered from each other. There are few street lights. Lots of wildlife in the area.
573 posted on 07/11/2002 4:09:48 PM PDT by Sweet Hour of Prayer
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To: UCANSEE2; Jaded
T.S. How did a DRUNK to the point of BLACKOUT man get into the VD home, kidnap/kill the girl, and get her out without anyone, the dog, Damon, the boys, noticing, and while NOT LEAVING ONE SCRAP of TRACE EVIDENCE.

Stealth Ninja Dave

574 posted on 07/11/2002 4:10:00 PM PDT by Mrs.Liberty
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To: cyncooper
huge chorus of "Not Guilty" yesterday

I was proud lead it, but I was really already convinced; I just thought it might sway a few more over.
575 posted on 07/11/2002 4:10:34 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: the Deejay
Has it been FIRMLY ESTABLISHED these are DW's personal films?

Not films, not Videotapes, .... ZIPDISKS, disks that have tons of files ( image files) that are compressed.

There were some CD's with MPG files. Just wanting the facts straight.

576 posted on 07/11/2002 4:11:44 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Rheo
My mind is completely open. If Feldman would present something exculpatory I am all ears.

I realize the interview with the Det. Redden was redacted (They told us that, and it abruptly ends)--which means we don't know that he was cut off from talking about the woman, just that the judge may have determined the jury was not to hear it. There are lots of things a judge won't allow into a trial based on relevancy, prejudice, etc. But you can bet if he gave a plausible explanation as to how, when or why Danielle got in the MH it would not have been excluded.

577 posted on 07/11/2002 4:12:04 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: UCANSEE2
The VD's did buy a BMW in, I believe APRIL. We would assume they got rid of their other vehicle (Damon's) which was a blue toyota van, (as far as we know).

Since anybody not strictly following the "Van Damnation" party line gets called an apologist, I'll take a shot at the car thing. I am not an apologist, but have already been called one. It doesn't hurt, so I'm coming back for more.

A sizable fraction of people now lease their vehicles. A Fact. Leases expire. A fact, also.

How about if Damon's van lease expired in April? In order to continue to have a vehicle, he leased another vehicle; a BMW. Or maybe he bought a late model used BMW, on time payments like most purchasers do.

What is so sinister about that scenario? Which model of BMW? Is there some kind of class envy issue, whereby his type of vehicle renders him suspect?

I don't have answers to these points, but neither do the regulars on this thread, who keep repeating and repeating RUMORS, until they take on a FACT-like quality.

So I guess it is fair play to provide plausible explanations; at least as plausible as the aggregate of same, to explain the forensic evidence presented against DAW.

578 posted on 07/11/2002 4:12:39 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: cyncooper
Of course you're entitled to your opinion, Cyn. I'm just having a hard time understanding why you have it, in light of the evidence that has been presented, particularly the bug guy. You seem to be ignoring exculpatory evidence and giving creedence to everything that the prosecution claims without much rational thought about credibility of witnesses.

It seems like you think that if the defense can't explain everything, then DW must be guilty. I'm a little confused as to the fiber evidence, too, and really wonder how it got into the places that it got to. The prosecution claims that it got there because DW took her into the MH. The search dogs say otherwise. The defense doesn't know how they got there. But the lack of an explanation of the fibers on the part of the defense does not reduce the burden of proof and burden of production for the prosecution.

I think all of us wish the prosecution had their man, but there is a complete absence of evidence to link DW to the kidnapping and murder of Danielle.

Just my opinion, based on what I have seen and heard.

579 posted on 07/11/2002 4:12:57 PM PDT by Henrietta
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To: Henrietta
Will you provide link?

Just type SANDIEGOCHANNEL.COM in your browser. I didn't see any that were released TODAY. They were all pretrial motions.

IF R.... can show you different, that would be nice.

580 posted on 07/11/2002 4:13:35 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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