Posted on 07/10/2002 11:27:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
This is an unofficial quick and dirty presidential poll. Apparently, there is a good sized contingent on Free Republic that believes that President Bush is:
Please list the numbers that best match the reasons you don't like Bush (or state other reasons if not on the list) and state whether you believe that President Bush should be defeated even if it means installing a Democrat in the Whitehouse.
Conversely, if you believe President Bush should be re-elected, please state why.
Please state who you would like to see win the Presidency in 2004 and whether or not you believe he/she has a chance of winning.
Thanks,
Jim
How say you FreeRepublic?
Patsy? Or Patriot?
EV, I don't have any delusions of bursting your bubble, but there are millions of people who feel just as strongly you do, but they favor abortion and in fact insist on it as their unalienable right. While you may have some difficulty in recognizing the differences between a fetus that is not viable outside the womb if it were to be born and a child who has been borne and successfully lived outside the womb, there are differences and in the minds of people who believe in pro-choice those differences are morally, ethically and legally different. If it provides you some comfort, and there is a God who is offended by abortion, you can trust his judgment of how to deal with the offenders. You are relieved of that responsibility and don't have to worry about punishing the mother.
Looking from another vantage point to help clariy how I think about the differences between conservatives and liberals. It is all about using power. Liberals want to use government to impose things on other citizens, frequently things that are against the wishes of those other citizens. That is why conservatives despise and hate liberals. I don't care if a liberal wants to give their money to an illiterate unmarried pregnant wetback, but I resent intensely the liberal's desire to use the power of government to force me to do the same thing. Frankly, I would rather give it to my own children or invest it so that I might be able to have even more money at some time in the future. Now taking the other vantage point, liberals generally like pro-choice. And they resent it intensely when you want to take away their right to make their own decisions. Republicans and conservatives would probably get a lot more soccer mom votes and win more elections if they could get over this one issue. Freedom is making choices. Liberals want to force me to make choices that I would not choose for myself. So-called conservatives like you want to take away choices their other people would rather make for themselves.
You may not agree with any of this. You may not even understand it. But print it out and keep it handy. Read through it once a day for a couple of weeks. Think about it every day after you read it. While you are thinking about it, consider the fact that no matter what laws you and conservatives like you might be able to pass prohibiting abortion, it will be just like the counter-productive war on drugs. You will not eliminate the behavior; all you will have accomplished is to criminalize it. You will not have stopped the deaths of the unborn, but now you will have caused the deaths of countless women who will die from poorly performed or otherwise unsafe abortions. I know. I am a retired pathologist who has been there. Legislating morality is counter productive. It almost always does more harm than good. It promotes official corruption of the people who are supposed to enofrce such laws. And it leads to corruption of countless public officials who have committed moral crimes through blackmail and extortion.
No, but you seem to have plenty of other delusions to keep you busy.
...but there are millions of people who feel just as strongly you do, but they favor abortion and in fact insist on it as their unalienable right.
Well, they are not the people who decide who is going to represent the Republican Party on its Presidential ticket.
While you may have some difficulty in recognizing the differences between a fetus that is not viable outside the womb if it were to be born and a child who has been borne and successfully lived outside the womb, there are differences and in the minds of people who believe in pro-choice those differences are morally, ethically and legally different.
Tell me what will happen if your abortionist buddies just leave it alone. Will it somehow become a 'fetus animal'?...or will it become a human being, endowed by its Creator with certain unalienable rights?
If it provides you some comfort, and there is a God who is offended by abortion, you can trust his judgment of how to deal with the offenders.
Oh, there is, and He will.
You are relieved of that responsibility and don't have to worry about punishing the mother.
Except to whatever extent it was in my power to prevent it...it's a little thing called the duty and responsibility as a sovereign citizen of the United States of America and as a Christian.
Looking from another vantage point to help clariy how I think about the differences between conservatives and liberals.
You obviously don't even have a clue what it is to be a conservative. No conservative justifies abortion. Your screen name is a fraud. You are a liberal.
It is all about using power. Liberals want to use government to impose things on other citizens, frequently things that are against the wishes of those other citizens.
And conservatives want to protect the life and liberty of the innocent, using the self-evident truths outlined in our founding documents. So do you think unborn babies would want to be torn to pieces or have their skin burned off their bodies, or have their brains sucked into a sink?
That is why conservatives despise and hate liberals.
I hate liberals because they hate God, they have no qualms about destroying innocent life, and they are taking away the liberty of my children and my grandchildren.
I don't care if a liberal wants to give their money to an illiterate unmarried pregnant wetback, but I resent intensely the liberal's desire to use the power of government to force me to do the same thing.
Like most liberals, in or out of the closet, you are apparently a racist as well.
Frankly, I would rather give it to my own children or invest it so that I might be able to have even more money at some time in the future. Now taking the other vantage point, liberals generally like pro-choice. And they resent it intensely when you want to take away their right to make their own decisions. Republicans and conservatives would probably get a lot more soccer mom votes and win more elections if they could get over this one issue.
Spoken like a true liberal.
Freedom is making choices.
True liberty never makes choices that destroy other's life or liberty.
Liberals want to force me to make choices that I would not choose for myself. So-called conservatives like you want to take away choices their other people would rather make for themselves.
I don't want to take away anyone's legitimate choices...but the rule of law, and decency militates against the kind of license you advocate for doing evil. The Founders of this country would be appalled at your gross misunderstanding of what liberty is all about.
You may not agree with any of this.
At least you got something right.
You may not even understand it.
I understand it perfectly.
But print it out and keep it handy. Read through it once a day for a couple of weeks. Think about it every day after you read it.
If I printed it out, I would be wasting paper. Your post is worthless.
While you are thinking about it, consider the fact that no matter what laws you and conservatives like you might be able to pass prohibiting abortion, it will be just like the counter-productive war on drugs. You will not eliminate the behavior; all you will have accomplished is to criminalize it.
Well at least the murders will not take place under the color of law.
You will not have stopped the deaths of the unborn, but now you will have caused the deaths of countless women who will die from poorly performed or otherwise unsafe abortions.
I will not be accountable for their crimes, they will be. Unfortunately for people like you, at the moment the blood is on your hands.
I know. I am a retired pathologist who has been there.
I guess your oath was the 'hypocritic' oath, instead of the 'hippocratic' one, eh?
Legislating morality is counter productive.
Classic silly liberal one-liner...you just continue to out yourself.
It almost always does more harm than good.
Legislating morality keeps people from killing you, stealing all your stuff, and our civilization from descending into total anarchy.
It promotes official corruption of the people who are supposed to enofrce such laws. And it leads to corruption of countless public officials who have committed moral crimes through blackmail and extortion.
You have a twisted view of the world.
Lott and the Republicans could have forced the presentation of the evidence. Who knows what Clinton and crew had on whichever Republicans (rememer those illegally obtained FBI files) but this was one of worst caves in the history of the Republican Party. This alone is a compelling argument for TERM LIMITS.
You are both wrong. Coupled with the right incentive that is precisely what it takes to move the country right.
IBD had an excellent interview on Friday of the dude in Peru who implemented privatization of Social Security.
Cato, as you pointed out, has a project going to advance this agenda, and I am very much for it. (I would wait until the market gets over its hangover, though, before starting any major publicity campaign!)
Do you think we need a five million Constitutional Republican march on the Mall to make our point?
I don't think the entire GOP is hopelessly derailed, I just think a few cars are off track.
A march would be excellent.
We should get off our asses.
September is when they ratified the Constitution.
3, 4, 6, 8, 13
13. Not consitutional enough: he signed bills into law that were *clearly* unconsitutional. Whatever political games there are to be played, the Constitution shouldn't be a part of it.
As for your other questions:
I didn't vote for GWB in the first place. I wont vote for him in the next election, either.
I'm not sure if it would be best to vote him out if it meant a Dem would take over the Presidency. However, I don't think anyone should vote for him simply because he is the lesser of two evils. Perhaps, though, if a Dem *were* elected, the resulting disaster would *finally* wake up Americans as to the Leviathin that our government has become -- I doubt it, though.
Sadly, I haven't seen anyone of clearly presidential stature waiting in the wings. I like Buchanan, but am not sure he would make a good president. All Dems are, by definition, unfit to run the country. Maybe by the time the next election draws nigh, a fit man will stand forth but, again, I doubt it.
I think we have entered an era of mediocre (at best) presidents: men who are too timid to lead from the front, but instead rely on opinion polls and discussion groups. What we get will, sadly, ultimately reflects the condition of our society.
Tuor
We'd still out-wit you by about 100%.
In the end, this is the only thing that matters: VICTORY.
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