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Canadian sniper makes record shot
Canadian Press via Globe and Mail (Toronto) ^ | July 9, 2002 | Stephen Thorne

Posted on 07/09/2002 7:37:02 PM PDT by Clive

A world-record shot by a Canadian sniper detachment could never have been made with the ammunition they were issued when they left Edmonton last winter, the triggerman said in a recent interview.

The Canadian .50-calibre rounds have a maximum range of between 2,200 and 2,300 metres. The U.S. rounds, they discovered, "fly farther, faster," said Cpl. "Bill", a 26-year-old native of Fogo Island, Nfld.

The two-man Canadian team, coupled with American Sgt. Zevon Durham of Greenville, S.C., made the kill from 2,430 metres on the second shot.

The first blew a bag from the hand of their target, an al-Qaeda fighter walking on a road.

"He didn't even flinch," said Bill, who spoke to The Canadian Press on condition that his real name not be used.

"We made a correction and the next round hit exactly where we wanted it to. Well, a bit to the right."

The kill, one of more than 20 unofficially accredited to Canadian snipers during Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan's Shah-i-Kot Valley, beat the 35-year-old record of 2,500 yards, or 2,250 metres, set by U.S. Marine Gunnery Sgt. Carlos Hathcock in Duc Pho, South Vietnam.

Soldier of Fortune magazine estimated the number of kills made by the Canadians after talking to several U.S. soldiers in Kandahar for a cover story in its August edition.

The snipers themselves will not confirm the figure.

But judging from accounts given by Canadians involved in the first major coalition offensive of the Afghan war, the figure of at least 20 sounds conservative.

Outfitted with British desert fatigues and an array of equipment from all over the world, the five Canadians divided into two detachments earned the respect of their American brothers-in-arms after helping rescue dozens of paratroopers pinned down by enemy fire.

The five have been nominated for one of the highest awards given by the United States military - the Bronze Star, two of them with Vs for Valor, marking exceptional bravery.

Awarding of the American medal, which was to have been done at a ceremony along with other Anaconda veterans in Kandahar in April, has been delayed by Canadian protocol officials.

But more important to the Canadians are the gestures from their American brethren who, while nearly killing them several times over with friendly fire, owe many lives to their shooting skills.

"They trusted us to do our job, without question," said Master Cpl. "James", a 31-year-old native of Kingsville, Ont., who also asked that his identity not be revealed.

At one point during a series of battles, one of the Canadians was without his rifle. Enemy bullets were hitting the earth all around.

Mortars were dropping in front and behind them, some within 10 metres, bracketing their position and getting closer all the time.

"They really hammered us," said Bill.

He tried to get to their rifles but couldn't. Finally, an American sniper tossed him his rifle and said: "Here, you know how to use this better than I do."

They held off the enemy until darkness descended and they escaped.

"They were instrumental in helping us achieve our goals out there," said 1st Lieut. Justin Overbaugh, 25, of Missoula, Mont., the soldier who recommended Bill and James for Bronze Stars.

"They are professionals; they are very good at what they do; they train hard, they are very mature, they are tactically and technically proficient so when it came time to do business, they were on," he said.

"If they told me I was going out right now, I'd be begging, kicking, screaming, crying for them to come with us."

Bill and James said they pulled off several shots from 2,400 metres or more.

"Shots out that far are 60 per cent skill and 40 per cent luck, or vice versa," said Bill. "Usually, it takes two or three rounds, sometimes five.

"Normally, a sniper wouldn't take that many shots, but they were out so far we felt confident they couldn't tell where we were."

At daybreak one morning, the two Canadians were set up overlooking a compound when al-Qaeda fighters started "pouring out of buildings like ants."

Bill started shooting while James called in a mortar attack, followed by B-52, F-16 and Apache helicopter strikes.

In a separate incident, Bill and James found themselves looking up at a large dark object screaming out of the sky directly above them.

It was a 220-kilogram American bomb.

"We hit the deck and covered our heads with our hands," said James.

The bomb landed 30 metres away, nose in, and never went off.

Bill and James looked at each other in disbelief.

"By the grace of God, it was a dud," said Bill. "It landed 15 metres from the B company (U.S. 101st Airborne Division) trenches. A guy got up, walked out of the trench and kicked the thing."

On another occasion, an Apache fired a missile right over their heads. It slammed into a rock wall 200 metres behind them. The snipers took it all in stride.

"Unless you have walked in their shoes or been part of a Special Forces unit, you cannot understand the closeness in proximity that a sniper is to the enemy," said Capt. Paul Madej, Operation Enduring Freedom chaplain, who debriefed the Canadians.

"The Canadian snipers are professional, well-trained soldiers who walk into harm's way and fulfilled their mission. They represent the best and they have our respect."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; banglist; southasialist; warlist
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To: RLK
Just wanted to make sure you didn't miss the exploits of this excellent Canadian sniper team.
41 posted on 07/09/2002 10:47:07 PM PDT by Fixit
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To: Squantos
I think the stories got better with each retelling before they were finally passed on to the SOF reporter.
42 posted on 07/09/2002 10:49:54 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
LOL.......it happens in every war and now it's their turn :o) I'm just happy they got out alive with their tales that will surely impress and hopefully get em some tail.

Stay Safe !!

43 posted on 07/09/2002 10:55:23 PM PDT by Squantos
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To: Squantos
It is most surely their turn to strut.
44 posted on 07/09/2002 11:13:19 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Clive
This Canadian is grinning with pride at his betters.
45 posted on 07/10/2002 12:18:20 AM PDT by Entropy Squared
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To: Fixit
This is where we need to go in military training. Our people don't know how to use rifles and don't even have any of serious quality. When I was in, using an M1 Garand, iron sites, and poor eyes, anything 300 yards away was hit dead center. Even a four power scope means anything is ausgespielt at 1,000 yards. Today's American military can't shoot and lack basic combat skills. The enemy has been getting away with murder in recent skirmishes.
46 posted on 07/10/2002 1:11:52 AM PDT by RLK
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To: RLK
Today's American military can't shoot and lack basic combat skills.

You obviously haven't spent much time recently at either Edson Range or Parris Island.

47 posted on 07/10/2002 2:08:49 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Clive; dixie sass; Memother; chesty_puller; Japedo; madfly; Snow Bunny; FallGuy; JohnHuang2; ...
BuMpS for canadian snipers
48 posted on 07/10/2002 2:12:00 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: Clive
Nice shooting, but Carlos Hathcock didn't use a .50 caliber rifle.

What kind of idiot kicks a bomb that didn't go off?
49 posted on 07/10/2002 4:40:35 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: Travis McGee
Add a Leupold scope and you're correct. I have a 6.5-20X that a company called Premier bumped up to 18-40X just for giggles. There is absolutely nothing like shooting an accurate rifle with a fantastic scope and dialing exactly to less than a minute in order to hit the target.
My problem is the math. Ok, I missed by 17 inches at 500 with a scope that has 1/4 minute clicks. That's uh,... carry the...divide by 5....multiply by 4... Oh, nuts.
50 posted on 07/10/2002 6:34:20 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: jeremiah
Excuse me, but this sounds like propaganda, to make our neighbors to the North feel like they are a part of things.

The Canadian military is small, but well trained and highly professional. They are well paid with a high percentage of those who join the Canadian forces making a career of the military. This high retention rate develops strong experienced leadership, both in the NCO ranks and officer corps. Unit integrity, meaning low turnover is the norm. Company commanders, for instance, may serve in that capacity for three or more years. Here in the U.S. a typical line company commander might serve a year, perhaps eighteen months at the very most.

51 posted on 07/10/2002 7:04:39 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Clive
The Canadians are good shots. It would be interesting to know if they learned to shoot before joining the army.
52 posted on 07/10/2002 7:13:31 AM PDT by CWRWinger
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To: RLK
With the exception of the Spec Ops troops, you are probably correct. I was talking to a Marine Lt a couple of weeks ago and he said that they didn't have the ammo to practice, even if they wanted to. Sad state of affairs!
53 posted on 07/10/2002 7:23:50 AM PDT by jsraggmann
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To: Clive
Out-f*ing-STANDING!!
54 posted on 07/10/2002 7:28:52 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: School of Rational Thought
Actually Gunny Hathcock did you the .50 cal rifle. The fact that it was a M-2 on a tripod in a sandbagged position still makes it a .50.

Semper Fi!
55 posted on 07/10/2002 7:34:57 AM PDT by dd5339
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
When I read of taliban throwing rocks at our military and our neding to call in air strikes to deal with it, it tells me what I need to know. Were it me, about the second time some jackass bent over to pick up a rock, he's have a new 30 caliber asshole. In the accounts of the middle east operation consistently show lack of tactical and marksmanship ability.
56 posted on 07/10/2002 8:16:52 AM PDT by RLK
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To: Clive
"It landed 15 metres from the B company (U.S. 101st Airborne Division) trenches. A guy got up, walked out of the trench and kicked the thing."

A potential "Hold muh beer" moment.

Bump for Canuck marksmanship!

57 posted on 07/10/2002 8:22:50 AM PDT by Wm Bach
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To: jsraggmann
I was talking to a Marine Lt a couple of weeks ago and he said that they didn't have the ammo to practice, even if they wanted to. Sad state of affairs!

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Shooting skills begin early as a civilian. Back in the 40s when we were kids the NRA put us through a rifle shooting class with the cooperation of the local police department and their firing range. I was a crack shot long before I went into the army. We have wimpy civilians going into a watered-down military.

A sniper can be trained quite well with 22 rifles. The skills acquired transfer to 30 cal. Even with a single action 22 cal handgun nothing gets away from me at 100 feet at my age.

What we have is a nation of people frightened of, and unable to use, firearms. It affects our military capability.

58 posted on 07/10/2002 8:28:42 AM PDT by RLK
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To: School of Rational Thought
"What kind of idiot...?"

Well, not a Canadian idiot apparently. ;^)
59 posted on 07/10/2002 8:29:40 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: RLK
I might add that at the age of 70 my mother could hit a pack of cigarettes at 150 feet with a single action pistol firing freestyle combat.
60 posted on 07/10/2002 8:32:38 AM PDT by RLK
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