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Critics of new flag heckle governor on campaign trail
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 09 June 2002 | Jim Galloway

Posted on 07/09/2002 7:56:50 AM PDT by stainlessbanner

Jekyll Island -- For two hours, the protesters waited in the sweltering heat, with little shade except that cast by a small forest of old state banners with the Confederate battle emblem.

As noon approached, a dark SUV escaped the nearby resort hotel and breezed by the dockside parking lot. It was what they'd been waiting for, and a handful rushed to the rope that separated them.

"Boo!"

"Traitor!"

Gov. Roy Barnes had been "flagged." Again.

For more than a year, this dogged band of protesters, connected by the Internet, has greeted the governor at nearly every public event in which he's participated.

The flaggings, as they're called, have become a ritual of the campaign season. Barnes hasn't been the only target. Members of the Legislature have had flags waved in their direction, too.

But it's the governor who knows many of the participants well enough to call them by name. "I wave at them," he said.

In January 2001, in a lightning maneuver, Barnes pushed through the Legislature a new state flag, one in which the Confederate emblem was shrunk to an eye-straining rectangle.

Ever since, strategists of all stripes have predicted that the issue would play a significant role in the governor's bid for re-election. Every Southern governor who has fiddled with such symbolism has run into trouble. And some experts say the new banner could still be a factor in the Georgia race.

But even "flaggers" concede that their cause has blurred over the past 18 months, complicated by the realities of Georgia's political calculus, changes within the state itself -- and by the events of Sept. 11.

"The truth of the matter is, we only have one flag. It's the flag of the United States of America. I believe I'll stick with it," Barnes said just before he left the Jekyll Island meeting of the Georgia Press Association last month.

The sound bite was fashioned spontaneously by the governor days after the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. In the months since, it has been found to work well with focus groups.

Just before Barnes spoke at the island conference, his Republican challengers sat on the same stage. All three favor a statewide referendum on the flag issue.

But none of them has advocated a return to the old flag. One, Bill Byrne, has called the old flag a "divisive symbol." He prefers the version that flew over the state Capitol before the battle emblem was added in 1956.

The news didn't go over well with the protesters outside.

"We would prefer a candidate that would be in favor of going back to the old flag," said Jack Lipthratt, 47, of Brunswick.

GOP keeps its distance|

While quite willing to flirt with the flag issue as an example of Barnes' "dictatorial" style, Republicans can't afford to embrace the flaggers too tightly.

"They want them on the bus, without driving the bus," said Merle Black, a political scientist at Emory University.

To put the GOP squarely behind Confederate symbolism "would be the worst thing the Republican Party could do," Black said. It would drive up African-American turnout in the general election, which would overwhelmingly benefit the Democratic Barnes, Black said. The gain for Republicans among white voters would be minimal, he said.

Generally, Republicans and Democrats agree on who flaggers are: Georgians who were comfortable with the South of years past, not with the one that creeps up on them today. They make up 5 percent to 10 percent of the voting population. And they are mostly white, middle-aged and male.

"A lot of the young people have given up and dropped out," said Lipthratt.

The Jekyll Island protesters numbered a dozen. One man wore a T-shirt that listed Barnes and every lawmaker who voted to change the flag. A woman wore a dress fashioned of the Confederate battle emblem.

Only two of their number voted for Barnes in 1998. In fact, Barnes strategists are counting on the fact that most of those Georgians angry with the governor over the flag wouldn't have voted for him anyway.

Kipp Pittman, 44, of Willacoochee in South Georgia, said he and his fellow protesters are trying to change that, by engaging in voter registration and encouraging lax voters to turn out. "It's going to bring in new people. That's what we're really hoping for," he said.

Perhaps for that reason, the Barnes campaign wants to avoid any escalation. The campaign contacts the State Patrol or local police and urges them to avoid confrontation. All events have been peaceful. The demonstrators say they're eager to stay within the law.

Atlanta vs. Georgia?|

Flaggings are loosely coordinated by members of three groups: the Southern Party, various chapters of the Sons of Confederate Veterans and the League of the South.

Bradford Isbell, a Griffin-area resident, is state chairman of the Southern Party. Isbell said anger over the flag change was set aside after Sept. 11. But it has rebounded, if hits on the group's Web site are any measure, he said.

Even so, there is a geographical difference in how the issue is received. "You can almost divide the state into two sections: Atlanta and the rest of Georgia," Isbell said. Slightly more than half the state's votes are in metro Atlanta's 18 counties.

One group has instituted something called Project Wave -- offering a 24-foot pole and the old flag for $33. Nearly 600 have been sold, mostly to Georgians in rural and exurban areas.

It is in vote-rich suburban Atlanta that lines begin to blur for flaggers. In mid-May, state Sen. Charles Tanksley, a Cobb County Republican and a former law partner of the governor's, was flagged for his vote to change the flag.

Seven or eight protesters had ventured into the Galleria area in southeast Cobb County, where Tanksley was holding a $500-a-head fund-raiser at the Georgian Club. The protesters were asked to leave, and they moved to the corner of U.S. 41 and Akers Mill Road.

Twenty years ago, nearly two-thirds of metro Atlanta residents were originally from Georgia. Native Georgians now number less than half. Likewise, there was a time when the Chattahoochee River served as a racial boundary. But no more.

The protesters waving the old flag and Confederate banners on U.S. 41 were in what is now Democratic territory. African-Americans and Hispanics make up a large part of the community.

Most passers-by were polite, but quite a few -- perhaps three in 10, demonstrators said -- shouted obscenities or offered middle-finger salutes.

One of the props devised by demonstrators was a black mannequin with a fuzzy wig, set in a trash can. It was a reference to Jesse Jackson. In 2000, he and other civil rights leaders agreed to put off an economic boycott of Georgia for a year while state leaders worked out the decision to change the flag.

The reference was lost on spectators who saw nothing but the mannequin beneath Confederate battle emblems.

The manager of a clothing store on the same corner called the police to have the demonstrators removed. But by the time the cops arrived, the protest was over. It was 7 p.m., time to go home.

Weeks later, it was announced the mannequin had been retired. Even flaggers have to be careful of the symbols they wield.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: confederateflag; dixielist; flagging; ga; kingroy
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To: Theodore R.
Seems like (from my position on the couch here in Texas) these polidiots have only made the CSA part of the flag "smaller" thus placating only those whiners with bad eyesight.

I believe it's still "legal" to fly any flag you want. If the "market" for the original is greater than the PC-BS flag then money and walk will talk louder than this polidiots-presstitutes balk..........

Stay Safe !

21 posted on 07/09/2002 8:29:28 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: Salman
If Georgia these days is anything like North Carolina, many Georgia whites don't have Confederate ancestors and are anti-Confederate or simply don't care

I don't know what part of NC you're talking about unless you're thinking of RTP, Charlotte, and Asheville. Pretty much everywhere else, most of the folks I know have been in this state at least 150 years

22 posted on 07/09/2002 8:34:08 AM PDT by billbears
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To: Phantom Lord; stainlessbanner
For far to long it was freely associated with the Klan and other hate groups with nary a protest.

The same can be said for the US flag:




KKK rally, unknown date


Early KKK poster.


Ohio, 1924.


Virginia, 1925.


D.C., 1926.


Long Island, New York, date unknown.


D.C. again, 1952.


Wow! This one's in color; must be recent!
(BTW- what a crowd they have, huh?)


Klan initiation. Where *is* that Confederate flag, hmmm?


Check the sign out.

23 posted on 07/09/2002 8:35:37 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: bvw
A misguided cause. Fighting for the right to keep human beings enslaved is not noble by any stretch of the imagination. When we were in the deep south not long ago we saw those flags flying over the capitols. And how are black Americans in those cities supposed to feel about it? It was an oppresive feeling to us who were just passing through.
24 posted on 07/09/2002 8:53:35 AM PDT by NationUnderGod
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To: stainlessbanner
Actually the GOP is distancing itself from the GA state flag issue.

That sounds sensible. It has been the tradition in Georgia has been to change the state flag every few decades. I think that the current flag is the seventh state flag since the Civil War.

I see nothing wrong with that. Here is a site with a description of Georgia's colorful flag history.

25 posted on 07/09/2002 8:54:36 AM PDT by ned
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To: Phantom Lord
Of course, not the point. Bash America all you want, but try sticking to the point. The Confedrate flag specifically represents fighting to keep slavery. No way around it.
26 posted on 07/09/2002 8:55:51 AM PDT by NationUnderGod
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To: NationUnderGod
I get the feeling that the flag wasn't much of an issue in the 70's and early 80's. A few people who make their living on division, found it a juicy target, and the rest is history.

IMO, if the flag is the last of the civil rights complaints, then there must not be any more civil rights issues; however, that is what Jesse Jackson said in the 70's when he still had a little integrity.

27 posted on 07/09/2002 8:56:50 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta
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To: stainlessbanner
We all, post 9/11 support AMERICA and AMERICANS. Those who see that flag and are black Americans feel divided from their own cities who fly it.
28 posted on 07/09/2002 8:57:08 AM PDT by NationUnderGod
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To: NationUnderGod
And how are black Americans in those cities supposed to feel about it? It was an oppresive feeling to us who were just passing through

First off, why don't you ask the Black Confederates who support this cause. You know, those that have researched the history and found their relatives who fought for the South proudly? The ones you ignore. Oh, but I forgot. They haven't bought into your lame 'blame the flag' game. As for the 'oppresive feeling just passing through', I've got a good suggestion to avoid such feelings. Don't pass through. Matter of fact, don't even go to any of the old Confederate states. Avoid 'em all!!

29 posted on 07/09/2002 8:58:37 AM PDT by billbears
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To: billbears
Men fought to keep our nation unified. They died for it, and in so doing added their blood to the freedom of slaves. Like it or not, America haters.
30 posted on 07/09/2002 8:58:42 AM PDT by NationUnderGod
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To: NationUnderGod
You were looking for the bad in that flying of the flag. I understand how that is, and suspect how difficult it may be to get beyond.

Yet there is a beyond that view, and that beyond view is a more honest and fair one. The flag is flying as a reminder as the noble cause of State's Rights.

Look for the good.

31 posted on 07/09/2002 8:59:22 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Constitution Day
We could go back and forth all day with pictures. But the point is that the public perceives the flag as being associated with the Klan and other hate groups. That can not be disputed.


32 posted on 07/09/2002 8:59:36 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: stainlessbanner
"The sound bite was fashioned spontaneously by the governor days after the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. In the months since, it has been found to work well with focus groups"

That statement so entirely stupid, and bereft of sincerity, that it makes me want to slap someone.

33 posted on 07/09/2002 9:00:36 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: billbears
Nasty, aren't you? Civilized discussion make you feel compacted? Chill.
34 posted on 07/09/2002 9:01:41 AM PDT by NationUnderGod
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To: NationUnderGod; Phantom Lord
Actually, the Confederate battle emblem was added to the Georgia State Flag in direct response to the Brown v. BoE decision as a symbol of defiance against integration. Georgia should have gone back to the pre-56 flag, which would have honored both history and all Georgians. Plus, it's pretty spiffy looking.
35 posted on 07/09/2002 9:03:51 AM PDT by flyervet
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To: Phantom Lord
But the point is that the public perceives the flag as being associated with the Klan and other hate groups.

"Perceptions" rank right up their with "feelings" in my book.

The fact is that the U.S. flag was associated with the Klan equally as long or longer than the Confederate battle flag.
The Klan's membership numbers & public acceptance were at an all-time high back when they only used the U.S. flag, as well.

36 posted on 07/09/2002 9:15:21 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: flyervet
Georgia should have gone back to the pre-56 flag, which would have honored both history and all Georgians. Plus, it's pretty spiffy looking.

This was Georgia's state flag between 1920 and 1956:

You're right, it was kind of spiffy.

But I think it's kind of neat that Georgia changes the flag every few decades. It's a neat tradition.

37 posted on 07/09/2002 9:27:02 AM PDT by ned
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To: flyervet
Agreed. And it is a good looking flag pre 1956. Perceptions matter when a country at war stands together. The Confederate flag divides and with reason.
38 posted on 07/09/2002 9:30:46 AM PDT by NationUnderGod
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To: Phantom Lord
That's transplanted Yankees, immigrants, and people descended from post-bellum immigrants.
And they have caused 150 years of uninterrupted rule by democrats how?

They didn't. But the Democrats were something quite different for most of that time. I'm talking about now.

39 posted on 07/09/2002 9:36:56 AM PDT by Salman
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To: billbears
I don't know what part of NC you're talking about unless you're thinking of RTP, Charlotte, and Asheville. Pretty much everywhere else, most of the folks I know have been in this state at least 150 years.

Those happen to be the three areas I know well. Not a representative sample then, though not close together. The first two are big cities. With a majority of the state's population maybe? BTW there are quite a few Pakistanis in Charlotte, too.

40 posted on 07/09/2002 9:42:13 AM PDT by Salman
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