The 'right thing' tears at a family

Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | July 8, 2002 | Chris McGann

[cracker]

That kid is an F'N IDIOT.

'Nuf said. And, BTW, doesn't Washington have a Medical Marijuana law? So the dad is growing LEGAL MEDICINAL HERBS? Truly, the kid is a f'n idiot.

[Alan Chapman]

drug laws may be wrong but not unconstitutional?

If Congress does something which they have not been empowered to do would that not constitute an unconstitutional act?

...this is too typical of the problems with america today...the greatest act of freedom is to just do what you think is right...

I think America's greatest problem is widespread misconception about rights. Violations of liberty and property abound as a result. But, because they are done under the auspices of jurisprudence they are erroenously thought of as right and just.

[trussell]

I explained that since this happened they have changed the law, or that I was misinformed by my boss.

I am sorry, I had meant to say sorry, I got called away for a minute, and when I got back I had lost my train of thought. I am sorry.

Now, do you believe you may have been harsh in saying I needed to check into a treatment center? If so, I would like a retraction to that statement.

[Greybird]

There's a difference between American police officers following the US constitution and state laws which we have made freely ... and the Gestapo, whose activities and existance would be impossible under the US constitution and US state laws.

Impossible? You haven't read the "USA PATRIOT Act." Wherein the Fourth Amendment has been effectively abolished. Nor noticed how U.S. citizens are now being held incommunicado, without being charged with a crime, without attorneys, and without allowing habeas corpus.

With how D.A.R.E. encourages kids nationwide to inform on their parents, even when they are acting in ways that injure no one (and growing marijuana plants in the basement qualifies), what makes such an atmosphere different from that of what was impressed upon the Hitler Youth? Absolutely nothing.

This boy is a budding authoritarian, the perfectly formed product of the government schools, who isn't wasting any time putting his training into practice.

And you're SO cute when you're mad. ~g~

[Drew68]

A father who is conducting illegal activities in his home has placed his kids and wife in a position of having to cover for him, in other words, they have to lie to their friends about why they can't go in the basement, or lie about where daddy is, or what daddy is doing.

I had not really thought about that until I read your well-written post.

[KantianBurke]

If anyone's having trouble diserning between personal bias and objective truth its you not I.

[Anamensis]

Kinda like the slack you cut the father?

Heh heh heh....

[Protagoras]

I was single, doofus, and my family didn't know.

You are a drug dealer and I'm a doofus? LOL Your family didn't know that you were the scum of the earth so it's OK? LOL

I was also not dumb enough to get caught.

Oh no, your'e not dumb, but you can't earn a living without dealing drugs. LOL

Nor did I deal to or around children.

What a great guy!!!! (like kids didn't get your goods)

The reason I quit is that the risks outweighed the rewards,

Not because it was wrong, but because you didn't like the risk reward ratio. LOL

meaning the longer I continued to deal, the more likely it would be that I would be caught, so I quit.

Great guy! He didn't quit for any reason other than he didn't want to be caught? Same reason you don't steal cars or rape little girls?

Tell me, Tom, do you buy your dope in the middle of a shopping center, or do you do it in a more out-of-the-way place?

I have never used an illegal substance in my life, and the fact the lowest scum on the face of the earth doesn't believe it doesn't matter one tiny bit.

Now I suppose you are in favor of the WOD and incarcerating those who did precisely as you have done. Amazing what turns up on this conservative forum. Climb back under your rock you despicable swine.

[PatriotReporter]

[trussell]

Are you capable of posting something without it containing the word "despicable", or calling people by some other demeaning name?

You must be a very angry person to feel the need to bring everyone else down to your level.

I will not answer to any other flame post you put out to me. I hope you have a pleasant night, maybe you will wake up tomorrow in a better mood.

[stands2reason]

First off, I am a female, I did deal when I was younger, I do know it was wrong, and I do know that kids didn't get any of what I was selling. I'm not pro-WOD, but if you get caught, well, you gotta pay the price. Cynical whining is useless.

I did not go in to moralizing about how dealing or doing drugs is wrong, and I know it is, believe it or not I'm not the same person I was at 19 that I am now---for example, I voted for Dukakis. The morality argument doesn't go very far with most libertarians.

Same reason you don't steal cars or rape little girls?

What a sec... you have to make up your mind---are drug crimes "victimless" or aren't they, Dane? You're so full of s*it---you can't even stick with your own argument, instead you sound like the worst kind of statist. Oh, don't bother to respond, you've already shot your own credibility.
Signed, "lowest scum on the face of the Earth and despicable swine", but at least I'm not some pie-in-the-sky libertarian who doesn't live in the real world---

[trussell]

I respect you for your post.

I have decided that this person is willing to twist things to suit their own needs. Obviously getting pleasure out of name calling and flaming anyone who expresses a view which does not agree with their views.

I too have posted to them and told them I would not be answering any comments filled with name calling. See post # 210

[jaime1959]

> Ever tried to get through the thick skull of a drug user, whether the user uses pot or uses booze, or uses diet pills or uses some hard stuff? Ever tried to talk to an anorexic? they don't even use drugs and you can't get them through the denial stage. It's like talking to a wall. I've tried it for years. I've watched people destroy their lives and their kids' lives with something as seemingly light as pot. <

Sounds to me like your experience with pot and pot users comes from watching films like "Reefer Madness". The father had 12 plants, which sounds like he was growing for himself and selling a little to friends and acquaintences for a little extra cash.

I had a friend who did the same thing: grew pot in a little room off his basement. He's a PE, hard-worker, good neighbor, etc. and a pretty conservative guy. He just liked to catch a buzz some evenings and weekends. Luckily, he didn't have any rat fink friends to turn him in, so his life wasn't destroyed. When he got married, he shut down his operation and quit smoking.

Bottom line: this kid made a big mistake. Now, if the father was neglectful and the kids were not being properly cared for, you might have a case. But that doesn't sound like what was happening.

[Redleg Duke]

You LIbertarians just can't accept the fact that most of us reject your desires for decriminialization of illegal drugs, can you.

Anyone who doesn't toe your line is demonized.

You just don't get it!

[JediGirl]

You conservatives just can't accept the fact that most of us reject your desires for making abortions illegal and getting rid of affirmative action, can you.

Anyone who doesn't toe your line is demonized.

You just don't get it!

[Marysecretary]

No, it isn't right to drink beer in front of your kids, not if you want them to grow up NOT drinking beer, etc. I think parents, especially fathers, need to set good examples for their children. My husband didn't. He was an alcoholic. I did my best to help my children overcome that example. You sow what you reap.

[Marysecretary]

WWJD? He'd forgive him, but he'd still have to pay the consequences for what he's done.

[vin-one]

No, it isn't right to drink beer in front of your kids,

That is your opinion, and for your information my parents drank in
front of all my brothers and sister, and only 50% drink,
so that blows your theory out of the water.
have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, that responsible drinkers, show kids the right way and
people like your husband teach them the wrong way.
and I set a great example for my kids, they respect me and listen to me,
and they also witness my being responsible.....

[Protagoras]

What a sec... you have to make up your mind---are drug crimes "victimless" or aren't they, Dane?

I have never said that drug use is victimless. I have said that what someone puts in their own body is their business, not yours. People who make money by dealing in human misery are the worse possible scum. You made it clear that you see nothing wrong with drug dealing despite your new found morals. You said quite clearly that you stopped dealing drugs to avoid punishment. You are a low life.

Oh, don't bother to respond, you've already shot your own credibility.

I don't seek credibility with criminals and other low lifes.

Signed, "lowest scum on the face of the Earth and despicable swine",

I'll give you credit for admitting what you are.

but at least I'm not some pie-in-the-sky libertarian who doesn't live in the real world---

I live in the real world, where scum who deal think it is OK as long as they don't get caught. They advocate prison for others for the same crimes they have committed. Until you report to jail to start your term, you have nothing whatsoever to say on the subject.

You wear your drug dealing as a badge of honor, mentioning it at every opportunity.

Now you have an immoral slob taking your side, someone who has admitted that she would turn in her own blood to the feds, but now she embraces you, someone who she should be turning in, because you have a common enemy, me.

[Protagoras]

WWJD? He'd forgive him, but he'd still have to pay the consequences for what he's done.

So you are saying that Jesus would tell people to turn their family in to the authorities?