Posted on 07/08/2002 4:52:12 PM PDT by commieprof
An open letter to my critics:
Let me please take this opportunity to thank you for your feedback and to clarify a few points that seem to be at issue. Thank you to those who have sent messages of support, and to those of you whose criticisms are based in argument and reasoning, rathern than in name calling and death threats. Thank you to those of you who noticed that I took care in my pledge not to identify with terrorists, suicide bombers, or Islamic regimes, but with the ordinary people around the world, including those here in the United States. And thank you, I guess, to those of you who are praying for my salvation. I tend to see a better world as being possible here on earth and am not waiting for the second coming so that the meek can inherit their due. But at least you aren't threatening my life, and I appreciate that.
To those of you who are sending me hate mail equating me with the enemy, however, let me attempt to make the following clarifications. It is true that the format of a pledge does not allow one to present arguments full-blown. People may have misunderstood my meaning and intent because of the brief and condensed nature of the genre.
I take my freedoms to dissent in this country very seriously. I do not want to live anywhere else in the world, your invitations to exile notwithstanding. I am a citizen with the right to protest what I see as unjust and inhumane policies, both economic and military. You are correct that I am relatively privileged; I would not have the same rights to dissent and protest in countries like Afghanistan, although if I lived there, I would be part of social movements to resist oppression whether in the form of Islamic fundamentalism or U.S. bombs. Activists in the countries I named often stress the importance of critique and dissent here in the belly of the beast. I feel a certain obligation, an obligation that comes with freedom, to speak out alongside of those with less freedom to speak. I pledged solidarity not with any nation's leaders or terrorist organizations, but with the ordinary people, who are not being liberated by U.S. sanctions and bombs or by U.S. support for the Israeli occupation. I see the people in Afghanistan who were bombed as they celebrated a wedding two weeks ago as being as human as those who died in the World Trade Center, for whom I also have tremendous compassion.
I should add that people in developing countries are not being liberated by the opportunites provided by U.S.-dominated world capitalism. I do not have space to go through all the evidence for these claims, but if you have an open mind, I suggest you read some Howard Zinn, especially People's History of the United States and his more recent Terrorism and War. Suffice it to say that if you have read any history you know that the U.S. either put in place or supported with money and guns the very dictators you decry today, including the Taliban and Saddam Hussein. The United States has taken part in the undermining of democratic (defined as supported by the majority of the people, not in terms of the free market) regimes in Latin American and the Carribean almost as a matter of course (Chile, Haiti and the Philippines for example), not to mention in Asia and Africa. The list is too long to recite here.
Those of you who are offended that you might have to fight and die for my freedoms clearly have misunderstood my anti-war stance. I do not want you to be sent to other countries to die or kill, because I think those actions are not in defense of our freedoms; more often it's about protecting oil profits (even Bush Sr. admitted as much about the Persian Gulf War, which resulted in more than a million and a half civilian deaths). I don't want you over there killing civilians in my name, when my freedoms are not what is being defended at all. Neither are yours. Even though you may hate me, I don't want to you die for someone else's profits.
I do not agree with the analysis that "our way of life" offers hope and salvation to those living in other countries under dictators and in poverty. When four percent of the world's population controls more than 60% of the world's wealth, when the nation states that harbor the strongest enterprises defend those interests with force, when U.S. foreign policy and economic policy are designed to drive countries into unsalvageable debt or rubble, it is impossible for me to remain uncritical. Too often, it is not the fault of bad leaders, bad values, wrong religion, or corrupt people in other nations that brings them ruin, but the policies of production for export over meeting human needs, the support of the U.S. for dictators like the former Suharto in Indonesia, who massacred more than 200,000 people but was, according to the state department, "our kind of guy" because he supported Nike and Freeport MacMoran's exploitation of the people there. I could go on. When Madeline Albright said that the deaths of 5,000 children a month in Iraq as a result of U.S. sanctions were a reasonable price to pay for U.S. foreign policy objectives, I reacted with the same level of disgust that you are bombarding me with now.
I think we have to face these hard realities about "our way of life" if we are truly to understand "why they hate us" and to prevent acts of desperation and hatred targeting civilians in the future. I am not defending terrorism (which, if defined as the targeting of civilian life in retaliation for political and economic grievances, would apply to U.S. conduct in every war it has fought). But it seems reasonable to consider that "they" (Iraqis, Palestinians, Muslims in general) might hate the United States for the havoc it has wrought in the Middle East. Some examples: First supporting and arming Hussein when he was fighting our enemies and killing the Kurds, then slaughtering Iraq's civilian population and bombing the country back to the stone age. First supporting and arming Islamic fundamentalists in Afghanistan when they were fighting "the communist menace," then bombing their civilian population. . . You get the idea. The support for Israel and its wars and occupations against Palestinians against United Nations resolutions and international law doesn't win our government any friends, either. It is always wrong to terrorize civilians in response to such abuses. Yet the history is part of the answer to the question and a change in U.S. foreign policy must be part of the solution.
If you cherish the freedoms of the United States, it would be hypocritical of you to be intolerant of the expression of opinions that differ from yours. I am a well-educated, thoughtful human being. I am well qualified to teach at the University ("universe"-ity), which should be a place for thoughtful and respectful sharing of diverse views. My students get trained in critical thinking: the capacity to take in a number of perspectives and weigh evidence and reasoning on their own, which they would not be able to do if there were not at least a few dissenters among us here. I mean, the business school gets the big bucks and military- and corporate-funded research dominate the campus. It's a rare class where a student would find points of view that challenge the corporate and geopolitical hegemony of the United States. So I feel sorry for the students whose parents would keep them from attending my classes or the University of Texas because of what I wrote. Don't you have faith that your children can think for themselves? Don't you trust them with a range of positions and approaches to knowledge? Haven't you prepared them to defend your family's values? Any viewpoint is welcome in my classes so long as the arguer can provide evidence and reasoning in support of claims. Contrary to popular mythology, I do not routinely fail conservative students; I do welcome their voices in class so long as respect for others and standards of argumentation are sustained. Actually, the smarter conservative students tell me that they enjoy a good challenge, which they take as a sign of respect. And believe me, I am a member of a tiny political minority on campus that is nowhere near acting like the "thought police" envisioned by the hard right. The kind of fear I hear in the emails I am receiving and on the conservative listservs I have been monitoring is based on a complete overestimation of any single professor's influence.
In sum, I am not the enemy of freedom; to the contrary, I am among its staunchest supporters. I think freedoms should be expanded, not curtailed, in this time of crisis. I worry that now with the modified Patriot Act (which allows security agencies to perform warrantless searches, detentions, and wiretaps, among other things) and the new mega- security-intelligence agency consolidation, that we may not have these freedoms to dissent very much longer. I will raise questions about U.S. foreign policy and corporate globalization as long as I can. It is my prerogative, my right, and, as I see it, my responsbility.
A brief comment on patriotism, or nationalism: To me it seems untenable to say that I have more in common with George W. Bush, Martha Stewart, or Kenneth Lay than I do, say, with a teacher in Afghanistan or a student in Iraq or a UPS driver here at home. Likewise, they might share interests with me and have little in common with Saddam Hussein or Al Quaeda. As a socialist (not a Stalinist, and there is a difference), I have a positive vision of international solidarity and struggle against greed, war, exploitation, and oppression on a world scale. In my view, patriotic fervor dehumanizes people around the world so that their deaths or their hunger or their homelessness can be blamed on them and forgotten.
It's not like me to base an argument on the words of the "founding fathers" but let me remind you that it was Thomas Jefferson (leaving aside his fondness for slaves for a moment) who believed that criticism and dissent were at the core of democracy. He even thought that the citizenry should take up arms against a government when they thought it was becoming too tyrannical. It took a revolution to make the democracy you cherish, and in my view it will take another to make real democracy (political and economic) for the majority of the world's population.
Ben Franklin wrote that when a nation prioritizes security over liberty, the consequences could be dire for democracy. Contrary to my correspondents, I do not believe that order is the ground from which all liberty springs. History teaches quite another lesson--it took a civil war, for example, to end slavery. And "order" is a god term not of democratic societies but of fascism. Unfortunately, I believe that in this extremely sensitive time people are all too willing to embrace a notion of security--not only against terrorists but also against critical ideas and thoughtful dialogue--over liberty.
I hope that this set of expanded arguments makes for more thinking and fewer personal attacks. Of course, I hoped to provoke a response and I welcome debae and dialogue. I do not feel like a victim and I am not complaining about being criticized. However, I hoped to get a *real* response, not just hate and intimidation in the name of freedom.
I encourage activists with views similar to mine to come out into the light of day. The urgency of speaking now far outweighs the flak we will get for standing up.
With best regards,
Dana Cloud
Fourteen paragraphs to try to make your point.
If you can't get it out in a few grafs you're just blowing smoke and obfuscating!
This is one of my major pet peeves. Science, Math and Engineering students are required to take a certain amount of "social electives", literature, history, etc, so as to be "well rounded" and responsible citzens. However the liberal arts types are often not required to take any math or science, or if they are they are allowed to take the "baby" versions. I've long maintained that if you don't understand what a differential equation is, what it means, and understand the solutions (not necessarily be able to generate them yourself), then you really don't understand how the world works, and have no business making decisions for the rest of us, or even having signifigent input on them. Everyone should also have some statistics, so they can somewhat judge the difference between lies, damn lies and statistics. :)
Actually, that is untrue. She may believe that people were happier trudging behind a plow, pulled by a water buffalo, but the fact that people abandon that life and vie for the opportunity to work in a tennis shoe factory suggests otherwise.
But that is not the point. A prosperous, technically advanced society does not simply leap into existence. It advances by steps. The existence of an industry does two things; it creates an opening for independent contractors and entrepeneurs. And it begins the creation of a legal framework, without which there cannot be economic development.
Its easy enough to look at countries that have made the leap from 3rd world hell to properity, and to look at the steps they went through to get there.
the U.S. either put in place or supported with money and guns the very dictators you decry today, including the Taliban and Saddam Hussein.
The Taliban emerged from the chaos at the end of the Afghan/Russian war. I would say that we failed, having left the Afghans to sort out their mess themselves. Are you suggesting that we should have stayed and imposed a solution on them? Are you happy, or unhappy, that this time we are sticking around?
But the Taliban was initially very popular, since they seemed to be a stable alternative to the warlords. We therefore tried to work with them, to help them establish stable government, and put an end to the fighting. It didn't work, of course. We also funded the NGO's that kept the people fed, throughout all the dark days of their rule.
They would still be in power, despite their clear unsuitability, had they not given shelter to our attackers, because we are actually very hesitant to overthrow other countries leaders.
Saddam found his way into power under his own steam. When he went to war with the Ayatollah, we supported him. When he went to war with our allies, we stopped supporting him. So what is your point? That is a truism. The enemy of our enemy is our friend. The enemy of our friend is not our friend.
I do not want you to be sent to other countries to die or kill, because I think those actions are not in defense of our freedoms; more often it's about protecting oil profits
We have never gone to war to protect oil profits. We had a reasonably good relationship with Saddam before he attacked Kuwait, as you have noted. He has control of one of the world's largest pools of oil. We were gearing up to invest a ton of money in his oilfields prior to the Gulf War; his invasion of Kuwait was very bad news for US oil service companies, and US engineering companies that were gearing up for some major projects at the time.
American oil companies make money by pumping other people's oil. Taking Iraq's oil off the market was good for the Saudis, but bad for US oil companies.
When four percent of the world's population controls more than 60% of the world's wealth
No, you mean to say that 4% of the world produces 60% of the wealth.
when U.S. foreign policy and economic policy are designed to drive countries into unsalvageable debt or rubble
Again, not true. Free market economics and individual liberty are the ticket out of 3rd world hell, but precious few countries are willing to try it. I have tried myself to explain the concept to educated, 3rd world professionals, who patiently explain to me that such things cannot work in their countries because they are too poor. (!!)
it is not the fault of bad leaders, bad values, wrong religion, or corrupt people in other nations that brings them ruin
Again, precisely untrue. It is precisely the result of bad values that a country descends into 3rd world hell. The basic requirement for the accumulation of wealth is the rule of law, which is to say, clean courts and predictable laws. Add to that individual liberty, and the legal protection of private property. Those countries remain poor precisely where those values do not exist.
When Madeline Albright said that the deaths of 5,000 children a month in Iraq as a result of U.S. sanctions were a reasonable price to pay
Ms Albright is obviously no favorite among conservatives, because she is not a conservative. It is the left that forever proposes sanctions as an alternative to confrontation. They are there to enforce UN rulings; Conservatives by and large reject multilateral pseudo-legality. The present situation is precisely the result of leftist policies.
Yeah, that is very unfortunate indeed. I was talking to the department chair of my university (EE) prior to graduation, and he was telling a group of us about how many units it used to require to graduate.
From a unit percentage standpoint, the number of core classes related to the degree was higher back then, and the 'fluff' classes were kept to a minimum. When I graduated, it required 202 units to graduate, fully a 1/6th of it was for 'indoctrination' classes.
Luckily for me, I took these types of classes in the summer quarters, and normal people were teaching them. In fact, for the PolySci class, it was taught by a ex-Chicom instructor. Someone that escaped Chicom. He was really frothing in the mouth against Mao and his 10 year programs and civilian purges. I think commieprof should have taken this guy's course.
Math didn't come easy for me, but they just quit. It was algebra. I have a friend who got his PhD in org. chem from UCONN and studied under a big cheese at Columbia. I read his dissertation. THAT'S hard work. He asked me once if he was being to hard on his students when he did the usual tough teacher stuff...I agreed with him that he had to keep pounding them.
Not algebra, puny algebra. I agree it should be required of all students, more math than they get now. It used to be that was an education, math included. Education is such a business now, that they have to get the people through the system.
1. You say you are a Marxist and you also say that you "take your freedoms to dissent in this country very seriously." Those positions are inconsistent. Marx advocated the abolition of private property in favor of the common ownership of essentially all resources. The existence of private property enhances the willingness and the ability of the populace to dissent from government policies. It is not coincidental that the societies with the greatest devotion to the concept of private property (e.g. the United States) are also those that are most likely to tolerate and even to subsidize citizens who dissent most (e.g. Marxist, feminist, pacifist university professors) from the dominant societal views. Property rights and personal rights are symbiotic, and to oppose one is to oppose the other.
2. You pledge solidarity with "ordinary people." My experience over the last 50 years or so is that those claim to fight for the common man are often fairly selective as to which "common" people they will support and are frequently more interested in telling their wards what they should believe than in listening to what truly motivates them.
3. The purpose of U.S. foreign policy, including the imposition of sanctions and the dropping of bombs is the defence of the United States, not the liberation of "ordinary people."
4. When you speak of the "Israeli occupation," it is not clear, at least to me, whether you are referring to the West Bank or to all of Israel. To me, although I am not Jewish and certainly not a Zionist, it makes little difference. The West Bank was part of Israel in 1948. It became part of Jordan as a consequence of the Arab invasion following Israel's declaration of nationhood and was retaken by Israel in 1967. Contrary to Arab propaganda, the Palestinian diaspora was largely not compelled but voluntary in anticipation of an Arab victory which never came. To refer to this state of affairs as an "occupation" is at best innacurate.
5. It is also at best innacurate to say that Bush Sr. admitted that the Gulf War was prosecuted in pursuit of "oil profits." Clearly oil was involved in the decision to reverse Iraq's conquest of Kuwait, but we sought access to that commodity, rather than enhanced profit, and that access was clearly in the national interest of the United States and every other industrial democracy. However, being a Marxist, you may have difficulty seeing that a capitalist society can have an interest other than the profits of one segment of its economy.
6. Although it is not clear how you define " liberation," I am confident that the people of Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, the Philippines, and India would by and large disagree with your contention that capitalism is not liberating. The politically liberalizing effects of the accretion of wealth through capitalism have been evident since at least the Hanseatic League.
I've only gone through one page of your letter and I am out of time and energy.
I call it cerebral stenosis. People like this have not questioned, reviewed, re-researched or changed one single opinion they have had since they were 20 years old.
Basic economics and economic history would be nice.
Kewl! Let's go for 75%!
I have had professors such as yourself while I attended college. And I rather doubt if you are even capable of listening to reasoned argument. You are convinced that your point of view is the only correct point of view, so you are constantly formulating new aspects of your argument and are therefore incapable of actually listening to others though that does not fit your pre-conceived biases.
I realize I am putting words into your mouth, but I am quite convinced this is how you are.
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