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A 'Marriage Strike' Emerges As Men Decide Not To Risk Loss
The Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | July 5, 2002 | Glenn Sacks and Dianna Thompson

Posted on 07/06/2002 5:00:19 AM PDT by buccaneer81

A 'marriage strike' emerges as men decide not to risk loss

By Glenn Sacks and Dianna Thompson

Katherine is attractive, successful, witty, and educated. She also can't find a husband. Why? Because most of the men this thirtysomething software analyst dates do not want to get married. These men have Peter Pan syndrome: They refuse to commit, refuse to settle down, and refuse to "grow up."

However, given the family court policies and divorce trends of today, Peter Pan is no naive boy, but instead a wise man.

"Why should I get married and have kids when I could lose those kids and most of what I've worked for at a moment's notice?" asks Dan, a 31-year-old power plant technician who says he will never marry.

"I've seen it happen to many of my friends. I know guys who came home one day to an empty house or apartment - wife gone, kids gone. They never saw it coming. Some of them were never able to see their kids regularly again."

Census figures suggest that the marriage rate in the United States has dipped 40 percent during the last four decades to its lowest point since the rate was measured. There are many plausible explanations for this trend, but one of the least mentioned is that American men, in the face of a family court system hopelessly stacked against them, have subconsciously launched a "marriage strike."

It is not difficult to see why. Let's say that Dan defies Peter Pan, marries Katherine, and has two children. There is a 50 percent likelihood that this marriage will end in divorce within eight years, and if it does, the odds are 2-1 it will be Katherine, not Dan, who initiates the divorce. It may not matter that Dan was a decent husband. Studies show that few divorces are initiated over abuse or because the man has already abandoned the family. Nor is adultery cited as a factor by divorcing women appreciably more than by divorcing men.

While the courts may grant Dan and Katherine joint legal custody, the odds are overwhelming that it is Katherine, not Dan, who will win physical custody. Overnight, Dan, accustomed to seeing his kids every day and being an integral part of their lives, will become a "14 percent dad" - a father who is allowed to spend only one out of every seven days with his own children.

Once Katherine and Dan are divorced, odds are at least even that Katherine will interfere with Dan's visitation rights.

Three-quarters of divorced men surveyed say their ex-wives have interfered with their visitation, and 40 percent of mothers studied admitted that they had done so, and that they had generally acted out of spite or in order to punish their exes.

Katherine will keep the house and most of the couple's assets. Dan will need to set up a new residence and pay at least a third of his take-home pay to Katherine in child support.

As bad as all of this is, it would still make Dan one of the lucky ones. After all, he could be one of those fathers who cannot see his children at all because his ex has made a false accusation of domestic violence, child abuse, or child molestation. Or a father who can only see his own children under supervised visitation or in nightmarish visitation centers where dads are treated like criminals.

He could be one of those fathers whose ex has moved their children hundreds or thousands of miles away, in violation of court orders, which courts often do not enforce. He could be one of those fathers who tears up his life and career again and again in order to follow his children, only to have his ex-wife continually move them.

He could be one of the fathers who has lost his job, seen his income drop, or suffered a disabling injury, only to have child support arrearages and interest pile up to create a mountain of debt which he could never hope to pay off. Or a father who is forced to pay 70 percent or 80 percent of his income in child support because the court has imputed an unrealistic income to him. Or a dad who suffers from one of the child support enforcement system's endless and difficult to correct errors, or who is jailed because he cannot keep up with his payments. Or a dad who reaches old age impoverished because he lost everything he had in a divorce when he was middle-aged and did not have the time and the opportunity to earn it back.

"It's a shame," Dan says. "I always wanted to be a father and have a family. But unless the laws change and give fathers the same right to be a part of their children's lives as mothers have, it just isn't worth the risk."

Dianna Thompson is the founder and executive director of the American Coalition for Fathers and Children. She can be contacted by e-mail at DThompson2232@aol.com. Glenn Sacks writes about gender issues from the male perspective. He invites readers' comments at Glenn@GlennSacks.com.


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To: buccaneer81
Being a woman I suppose it is my duty to jump in and disagree, and try to set the whole idea right. But, I have to agree. Thank the NOW gang and other liberal hate men groups who have conned young, and not so young women, into believing their sick demented doctrines.

If I were a man I would be mad too, and I would very definately think twice before I put my whole future in the hands of some woman who could wreck my life if I squeeze the toothpaste from the middle. It was bound to backfire!

321 posted on 07/06/2002 12:43:29 PM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: Wondervixen
YES! YES! YES! YES!

I sincerely believe that most divorces are initiated by the woman: she needs to "find herself", she "grew out of the relationship" or she's hanging out with too many other divorced women who sit around with their coffee and cigarettes and bitch and moan about the ex-SOB and what a great life they have now that they're away from him.

I have a WONDERFUL guy who treats me like a queen and is an awesome father to our children and I wouldn't give him up for anything. Thank God for marriage and I hope that there are still some men out there who haven't been kicked in the teeth so many times that they completely despise women. Marriage can be terrific when you're with the right person and you have the same outlook on life and you really love each other and are committed no matter what comes down the pike during your time together.

It's a real shame that marriage has been twisted so badly.

322 posted on 07/06/2002 12:45:00 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: wingnuts'nbolts

No it's not..

We don't play identity politics, the liberals do that.

(but you already knew this.. and I agree with everything you said. )

323 posted on 07/06/2002 12:45:15 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Smokin' Joe
She taped them? That's one of those things to have in your possession but never to watch. Sorry to hear about that story but glad you were ruthless enough to use the tape to your advantage. Thumbs up from this Freeper!!
324 posted on 07/06/2002 12:45:30 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: Tennessee_Bob
I consider myself fortunate to have daily contact with my kids and be an integral part of their lives. There is nothing more important to me in life than being available as a father to my kids when they need me.

Seven years ago I was "raped" by the Ex whom literally stole everything I owned and drummed up a bogus domestic abuse charge, signed by a judge from another city whom was an in-law family friend. I went six weeks without seeing my two kids, then was thrown a bone of 4 times a month visitation and ordered to pay 1/3 to 1/2 of my take home pay as child support.

It took years of ass kissing, record keeping and selfish stupidity on the Ex's part before I was able to get myself back on a fair and equal footing with regard to custody and visitation.

So, I can understand a bitter post when I see one because I've been there, been bitter and now, thank God, I am better. The courts are slanted in favor of the woman, that is a fact. And it is unfortunate that the outcome of custody preceedings are not based on fairness, but rather courtroom games, favoritism and politics.

325 posted on 07/06/2002 12:46:58 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Balto_Boy
Are men really that pathetic?

I encourage you to do some Googling on a fellow by the name of Robert Sides. Sides was a mens rights activist who had done some good things, but who became disillusioned at the lack of progress -- and the seeming indifference of most men to the kinds of things that this thread is about. A thread like we are seeing here was not possible ten, or even five years ago, when Sides was doing most of his work. To the extent a thread like this did not fall on deaf ears, it would have drawn only shrill comments from a whole coven of women like Dark Whatserface, and condecending tut-tuts from happily married men in their 60's whose advice was to shut up and take it like a man.

Sides grew weary of this, and began lashing out... not at the feminists who were lying their way to legislation, nor at the media who promulgated their lies and made the lies real, but at men themselves. More and more, his output started to sound like, "You guys are all wimps for not following me into battle. I'm out here trying to save your skins, and you're all sitting around doing nothing!"

I used to call that "insulting the customers." You don't invite the guy into your store and try to sell him your activism package by telling him he's a wimp. Yes, it is very easy to get sour on the prospects for ever changing any of this, but the alternative to plodding through it -- however long it takes -- is to watch things slide to Hell in the handbasket, and do nothing. Or stand on the sidelines, and crab at all the guys who are doing nothing. So I plod along.

I'm glad I have. This thread is absolutely amazing to someone who has been at this for a few years. Things really are changing. Men are waking up, and even women are waking up, to the fact that this "divorce industry" thing we have in this country is wrecking the joint. It is making it impossible for young people to have what we used to call "lives." And our country is much the worse off for it.

This is the beginning of how things change. It will never happen fast enough. But please do not follow Mr. Sides into the dark side. That way lies only bitterness and frustration.

326 posted on 07/06/2002 12:50:56 PM PDT by Nick Danger
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To: Tennessee_Bob
No connection, but this is my favorite:


327 posted on 07/06/2002 12:52:16 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Nick Danger
Bump to peruse later...
328 posted on 07/06/2002 12:54:58 PM PDT by dcwusmc
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To: Rebelbase
Amen to that. I've been fortunate in several aspects.

My ex didn't fight for custody of our daughter. She didn't say a word - and I wish now that I had gone ahead and gotten sole custody then as opposed to going back for it now.

My ex didn't care much for her children when we were married, she appears to care even less now. And it all goes into the journal. I learned that lesson when we were dealing with her first ex-husband.

I've had the excellent support of my family, as well as a few of my former in-laws with regards to the divorce.

I'll admit, I was bitter at first at the wasted years and th wasted tears, but that was only for a short while. I found that if I stayed bitter, it only spread to those around me. Besides, I've got my daughter - which makes me a lot better off than a lot of men that I know.


329 posted on 07/06/2002 12:54:59 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
boy, you don't have a twin sister that's single by any chance do you? ... LOL ... thanks for providing a refreshingly honest and balanced perspective on this subject ... the truth is there are a lot of great gals out there but dating these days is difficult at best ...
330 posted on 07/06/2002 12:54:59 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: SouthernFreebird
But the men on here were saying that fathers never got their chldren and always have to pay the ex.......you appear to have your daughter and you didn't mention having to pay this ex so I assume you don't, both of which belies the gist of this thread.

Try this one. My daughter lived with my ex-wife and my son lived with me (still does). I was required to pay $1000/month to her for child support. I received nothing. My daughter eventually reached the age of 18 the age at which child support ends in this state. My son was two years younger and remained with me. I had no further child support responsibilities according to law but she had none either despite my single parenting him for two years as a minor. Explain to me how this is fair and then explain to me how I am irresponsible or whining. When you're done with that explain how the laws aren't stacked against men in the divorce courts.

331 posted on 07/06/2002 12:55:40 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: Jhoffa_
And quite frankly the very wording of your post offends me.

I didn't mean to offend - sorry. I was just passing on my experience. I do not know any mature people who have shrunk from committing their lives to others.

If my experience is a true indication of how people grow up, then men don't really have the option of being islands. (Regarding Post 302: Didn't Paul tie himself completely to the services of others?)

332 posted on 07/06/2002 12:56:31 PM PDT by happytobealive
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To: Balto_Boy
In a perfect world men will put concern for the children they MAY father before sex! It always has been and always will be the woman's responsibility to see that she is not impregnated, no matter who jumps up and down and screams.
333 posted on 07/06/2002 12:56:59 PM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: Tennessee_Bob
That journal keeping is pain in the rear, is'nt it?
334 posted on 07/06/2002 12:58:29 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase
Used to drink John Smith's Best Bitters when I was working with the Royal Air Force - can't find it stateside though. They used to bring it in under diplomatic pouch.
335 posted on 07/06/2002 12:58:56 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob
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To: Rebelbase
No kidding - but talk about something that'll save your backside. If it's not written down, it never happened - as my attorney has always said.

First time I went to see him, he said, "You need to start keeping a journal." Told him that I was already on page 25, and he replied "Well, I can see I'm going to like working with you."

Everything is typed up, datestamped, and there's several copies of it floating around with family and friends.
336 posted on 07/06/2002 1:01:18 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob
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To: Balto_Boy
Women who make the decision/choice to have children sans the daddy need to be aware that it is on them to support their offspring, no ands, ifs, or buts.
337 posted on 07/06/2002 1:03:14 PM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: luckodeirish
sucking down KFC...

Can't afford KFC (only on special occasions like Thanksgiving dinner) LOL!. It's Kroger brand macaroni and cheese for me!

338 posted on 07/06/2002 1:04:57 PM PDT by buccaneer81
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To: A. Pole
No, this discussion is not about misogyny, (unless you want to switch the subject), it is about vulnerability of marriage in the society poisoned by Feminism.

Really? I think the roots go deeper. Not many here have any concept of the sacramental nature of marriage. All I hear is a lot of complaining that things were unpleasant as a result of a divorce. Too many are only interested in their "rights"; they could care less about strengthening the institution of marriage. If they did, they would start by attacking no-fault divorce laws.

339 posted on 07/06/2002 1:05:00 PM PDT by independentmind
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To: buccaneer81
I came home four weeks ago and my wife of 22 years absconded with the finances, art, and other personal property. She left a note saying she was filing for divorce because she was bored. So there you go...once burnt... How - WHY would I go through this again?
340 posted on 07/06/2002 1:07:24 PM PDT by Bull Man
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