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What if It's All Been a Big Fat Lie?
The New York Times Magazine ^ | 07/07/2002 | GARY TAUBES

Posted on 07/05/2002 5:34:43 PM PDT by Pokey78

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To: Arioch7
I have to disagree with you.

I to have used high protien/low carb diet with success. Here is what this type of diet does for me, besides the benefits of keeping cholesterole levels exceptable

it lowers the 'gas level' that i get from chips and cheese......and I know it's NOT the cheese since this WOE includes eating cheese, plus any time I slip and start eating them again the 'problem' comes back.

it also has reduced to zero the, um once a month cravings that would have me looking for something to eat, trying everything, but nothing would satisfy. (course a male probably wouldn't understand this, lol)

it also gives me the ablity to not think about chocolate continually. love that stuff, as long as I eat a 'controlled' carb diet the urge to eat choc and other goodies just fades away. for which I can say Thank God.

there are other pluses to but these are the biggest.

121 posted on 07/05/2002 8:14:40 PM PDT by tickles
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To: Dana113
"Men responded to calories, but women responded to fat," he says.

I was being politically incorrect when I referred to pro athletes - I meant males, but I stand by what I say. No male pro athlete in his right mind would try the Atkins Diet (unless it was Mo Vaughn).

122 posted on 07/05/2002 8:15:31 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Dana113
Can you explain one thing about the concept of the Atkins diet?

I agree that it works-but if high-carb diets produce fat people why it is that culture that have a high carb diet have so few fat people? For example Vietnam, China etc?

IS IT THE LACK OF REFINED CARBS? Do these countries use unrefined carbs? What is the difference between refined and unrefined carbs?

Thanks

George

123 posted on 07/05/2002 8:15:42 PM PDT by conservativeprof
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To: Senator Pardek
Well I do, and the answer is close to zero. How can that be?

No, you don't know that, you are guessing as you have with everything else. Perhaps you could tell us how many are on your unhealthy 20% fat Ornish diet?

Are you an athlete, Pardek? Because at age 45, after being on Atkins for 3.5 years, I have the body fat of female athlete at 19.6%. I am a weight trainer. I would put my stats up against yours any day of the week. What is your body fat %?

124 posted on 07/05/2002 8:17:56 PM PDT by Dana113
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To: Skip Ripley
I'm more of a 30% fat, 50%-60% protien, 10-20% clean carb guy

If more people followed that, we'd have healthier people. My "20% figure" was the minimum. I'm anti-fat - not pro-carb.

125 posted on 07/05/2002 8:18:09 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Senator Pardek
How many professional athletes discuss their diets?

I think that the more important question should be, How many people have successful and safe weight loss with the diet. I don't see too many athletes that need a weight loss diet so I have to wonder why you ask that question.

I know that the diet contradicts conventional thinking but I think that you ought to talk to a couple of people that have actually used it.

Look, I'm not advocating this as a cure all. As you and many others have pointed out, exercise plays a huge role in a person's condition. Perhaps bigger than diet in many of us. I'm just trying to answer what appears to be "Atkins bashing" with no basis to do so.

126 posted on 07/05/2002 8:19:57 PM PDT by meyer
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To: Dana113
I agree with the 35% level.

You can only process about 25 grams of protein every meal. If you are larger you can process more.

I get some of my info from Dr. Squat... Fred Hatfield who is the man!

I might stress that in ALL of my posts that form follows function and different athletes follow different diets.

Yes, I am biased; I listen to the greatest athletes in martial arts, power lifting, and extreme sports.

I listen to superiority and science. I do not know what the proper level is for women. I do think 35% is a good indicator.

127 posted on 07/05/2002 8:21:06 PM PDT by Arioch7
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To: Arioch7
Hey, we agree, all macronutients are necessary!

I prefer my carbs after I work out since recovery is best aided by getting some protien and carbs right after training.

I don't hate carbs, they hate me. I feel much better and have more enrgy when I'm getting more protien and fat than carbs

128 posted on 07/05/2002 8:21:25 PM PDT by Skip Ripley
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To: Skip Ripley
In short, I'm not sure we should point to the IFBB pros as dietary models for anyone...

I had to grin when I read that. :^)

129 posted on 07/05/2002 8:21:36 PM PDT by meyer
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To: Dana113
I would put my stats up against yours any day of the week. What is your body fat %?

Ooooh, hostile - I like that!

But the reality is, male pro athletes shun, as a whole, the Atkins Diet. Reality is a pisser!

130 posted on 07/05/2002 8:22:31 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Senator Pardek
OK. We probably agree more than disagree. My body functions better (ok my brain says my body functions better) on more fat then carbs.
131 posted on 07/05/2002 8:23:06 PM PDT by Skip Ripley
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To: tickles
LOL! As I said, if you like it, I encourage you to do it. I can not understand it.

I can say that I never eat chips or cheese or ANY thing that has empty calories. I dont eat cand bars, processed foods, or anything of that nature.

Read my posts though. Carbs fuel the brain, they fuel your energy.

132 posted on 07/05/2002 8:24:29 PM PDT by Arioch7
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To: Senator Pardek
I've been on EVERY SINGLE DIET you can imagine, EVERY SINGLE EXERCISE program you can imagine. Pardek wrote: Did you stick with those programs for 5 years without cheating?

Most people CANNOT stick with low fact/low calorie diets, because A} they don't work and B} they are deprivation diets that make people sick or hungry. That's why there are no long term studies that show net losses on low fat - most show net gains because the participants drop out.

133 posted on 07/05/2002 8:24:37 PM PDT by Dana113
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To: Pokey78
Bump for when I get thrown in prison and have time to read this.
134 posted on 07/05/2002 8:25:32 PM PDT by Skooz
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To: conservativeprof
I have already posted that refined crap ruins people. I am glad you noticed,

All of those countries are almost UNIVERSALLY thin. Of course, that is reality and it seems that thier reality can not translate into western peoples.

135 posted on 07/05/2002 8:27:01 PM PDT by Arioch7
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To: Dana113
Most people CANNOT stick with low fact/low calorie diets, because A} they don't work and B} they are deprivation diets that make people sick or hungry. That's why there are no long term studies that show net losses on low fat - most show net gains because the participants drop out.

AAAAHHH I can't take it! Have you people been reading my posts? Weight loss is tied to activity, and not diet change! The diet will change when the activity increases!

136 posted on 07/05/2002 8:28:46 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Pokey78
It is very significant that the Puritans (where food and smoking are concerned) at the New York Times have published this article. I have done extensive research on the subject of weight loss and have tried many different types of diets myself. For years I have been telling my family and friends that refined carboydrates, particularly nonfat refined carbos, are the real cause of obesity. You would think I had been proclaiming nonsense about space aliens arriving on Planet Earth! Atkins has been right for thirty years and the medical establishment has been wrong (or lying). Most of these so-called experts advise their obese patients to exercise and eat nonfat pretzels. Yeah, right, that'll really work. Atkins is right and the fact that The New York Times is obliquely acknowledging this means that it is now too obvious to deny any longer that Atkins -- gasp -- was right all along.
137 posted on 07/05/2002 8:30:38 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: Arioch7
The problem is that you all think that I am demonizing protein and fat. Not true, I LOVE protein. The reality is that YOU ALL ARE DEMONIZING CARBOHYDRATES.

No, we are not. You are shrieking again, Arioch. You are wrong, noone here is demonizing carbs. I demonize REFINED carbs. I don't even demonize starchy, high glycemic carbs like potatoes, however, I do not eat them because they play hell on my blood sugar and make me feel like hell. I probably eat more vegetables and nuts than any person I know. When my friends are gorging down on beer and pizza, I am eating pizza TOPPINGS and a side salad with a Diet Pepsi. I never see them eat vegetables at lunch.

I eat at least one salad a day and several cups of veggies and nuts. The Atkins diet has much more vegetables on it than the average American diet. Even in the strictest phase, it is required to have 2 salads and 2 cups of vegetables.

I can't believe I am being lectured on diet by people who eat junk food!

138 posted on 07/05/2002 8:32:44 PM PDT by Dana113
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To: Senator Pardek
No no no no..

Weight loss and body compositon changes are as much a function of diet as exercise. Diet doesn't change because you start exercising. What happens, the diet fairy decides you've run long enough so she taps you on the shoulder and makes you puke if you even look at Fudgie the Whale cake or a Cookiepuss?

Proper diet fules the activity that burns stored fat and builds muscles. You cannot have one without the other

139 posted on 07/05/2002 8:34:27 PM PDT by Skip Ripley
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To: Pokey78
A guy I work with lost a LOT of weight........and rapidly. I asked him about it, and he said that he cut out carbs; breads, etc. That was it; that was all. I couldn't believe it; the difference was THAT significant.
140 posted on 07/05/2002 8:35:31 PM PDT by RightOnline
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