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To: Arioch7
The problem is that you all think that I am demonizing protein and fat. Not true, I LOVE protein. The reality is that YOU ALL ARE DEMONIZING CARBOHYDRATES.

No, we are not. You are shrieking again, Arioch. You are wrong, noone here is demonizing carbs. I demonize REFINED carbs. I don't even demonize starchy, high glycemic carbs like potatoes, however, I do not eat them because they play hell on my blood sugar and make me feel like hell. I probably eat more vegetables and nuts than any person I know. When my friends are gorging down on beer and pizza, I am eating pizza TOPPINGS and a side salad with a Diet Pepsi. I never see them eat vegetables at lunch.

I eat at least one salad a day and several cups of veggies and nuts. The Atkins diet has much more vegetables on it than the average American diet. Even in the strictest phase, it is required to have 2 salads and 2 cups of vegetables.

I can't believe I am being lectured on diet by people who eat junk food!

138 posted on 07/05/2002 8:32:44 PM PDT by Dana113
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To: Dana113
The Atkins diet has much more vegetables on it than the average American diet.

You hit the proverbial nail on the head with that one! The anti-Atkins say that it's nothing but bacon smothered in cream cheese -- nothing could be further from the truth. If people don't like it, then fine, but it works very well long-term for very many people.

142 posted on 07/05/2002 8:37:05 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: Dana113
I dont shreik and I eat very healthy.

I said NOTHING about your personal diet and as a matter of fact, you know NOTHING of my diet so you are off base.

How do you know if I eat junk food? Which I have never eaten since I was seventeen.

148 posted on 07/05/2002 8:44:45 PM PDT by Arioch7
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To: Dana113; Senator Pardek
I can't believe I am being lectured on diet by people who eat junk food!

Quite often, people who are opposed to a low carb way of eating will lecture you in this way because you scare them. They are addicted to their bread, pasta and cereal. The PC dogma over the past decade has provided them with the excuse to continue feeding their cravings and someone like you coming along is no different than a reformed alcoholic approaching a current alcoholic still in denial.

Someone mentioned Senator Pardek's cognitive dissonance. I noticed it too. The rabid anti-Atkins types pepper their disagreement with all kinds of hyperbolic, completley untrue statements about what low carbers advocate (eating a pound of bacon) and made up, yet unprovable "facts" or "facts" they know cannot be easily disputed (no pro Athletes eat an Atkins diet) in order to support their adherance to more mainstream dogma. The article in question does quite a bit to discredit the dogma and actually demonstrates that adherance to the dogma has not only failed to produce the health benefits it promises, but actually may have exacerbated the the very problems it claims to cure. Many of the posters here have done quite a bit to discuss the metabolic effects of a high carbohydrate diet, the impact that high carb diets have on hunger (an actually biological state as well as a mental one) and other aspects of the debate, but that is all ignored or simply dismissed as unimportant. It is far from unimportant. It is the basis and foundation of the debate itself!

For folks like Senator Pardek, it is much easier to spout off about will power or merely repeat the dogma that is being challenged as the unquestionable truth, than to actually examine the logic, science or even personal experiences of people posting here. His imagined "pro athlete" (which is most certainly a horrible basis for figuring out what makes sense for the rest of us) is all he needs to justify ignoring the actual debate and continuing to believe dogma.

204 posted on 07/05/2002 11:28:41 PM PDT by bluefish
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