Missing-link fossil wasn't a fish -- it has a pelvis

San Francisco Chronicle ^ | Thursday, July 4, 2002 | David Perlman, Chronicle Science Editor

[Phil V.]

A fossil previously mistaken for the remains of an extinct fish turns out to hold the earliest known creature to have emerged from the Earth's waters and walk on land some 350 million years ago.

This ancestor of every four-limbed, backboned animal living today -- the first creature clearly designed to walk on land, with forward-facing feet -- fills a major gap in the evidence for the evolution of vertebrates from sea to land, scientists say.

[general_re]

Gravity.

[MEGoody]

"Facts man, just the facts, and the FACTS, are against you."

The facts in this case would certainly seem to be against the theory of evolution. These fellows got their 'guess' wrong the first time, or at least that's what they are telling us. So you are going to believe they are right this time just because they say they are? That's not facts, that's faith. :)

[jennyp]

The evos seem to have given up on accusing me of spamming on that one. The truth is the rant contains a number of overwhelming arguments against evolution and new people are always seeing it for the first time on these crevo threads.

In fact, your rants are so eloquent I think the new people need to have ready access to more of your fascinating and varied output:

Thread	"God Hates IDIOTS, Too!" 3½pg. spam	"Some useful references" 3pg. spam
Not-So-Intelligent Design	201 posted on 3/5/02 6:08 AM Pacific by medved	202 posted on 3/5/02 6:11 AM Pacific by medved
A Tiny Mathematical Proof Against Evolution [AKA - Million Monkeys Can't Type Shakespeare]	221 posted on 3/5/02 10:08 PM Pacific by medved
A Second Mathematical Proof Against Evolution [AKA - Million Monkeys Can't Type Shakespeare]		21 posted on 3/6/02 6:03 AM Pacific by medved
Design vs. evolution discussion Monday	11 posted on 3/8/02 4:13 PM Pacific by medved	12 posted on 3/8/02 4:15 PM Pacific by medved
Panel weighs science-standard bill (Evolution v. Intelligent Design)	18 posted on 3/8/02 4:21 PM Pacific by medved	19 posted on 3/8/02 4:22 PM Pacific by medved
Common Creationist Arguments	165 posted on 3/9/02 10:08 AM Pacific by medved	166 posted on 3/9/02 10:09 AM Pacific by medved
Creation vs evolution in England state school	14 posted on 3/9/02 10:19 AM Pacific by medved	15 posted on 3/9/02 10:20 AM Pacific by medved
Fundamentalists re-create Eden, with dinosaurs	100 posted on 3/10/02 7:47 AM Pacific by medved	101 posted on 3/10/02 7:48 AM Pacific by medved
How Evolution Monkeys with Duplicate Genes	128 posted on 3/12/02 7:07 PM Pacific by medved	129 posted on 3/12/02 7:08 PM Pacific by medved
Common Creationist Arguments - Pseudoscience	46 posted on 3/13/02 10:18 AM Pacific by medved	47 posted on 3/13/02 10:20 AM Pacific by medved

To: medved

No one likes spam.

210 posted on 3/13/02 11:14 PM Pacific by Jim Robinson

New evidence we all have the same ancestors Cal student's discovery should resolve dispute	10 posted on 3/22/02 6:15 AM Pacific by medved
The evolving Darwin debate		51 posted on 3/25/02 5:55 AM Pacific by medved
Evolution is designed for science classes	160 posted on 3/28/02 8:01 PM Pacific by medved
Ohio Excludes Creationism		79 posted on 4/2/02 3:50 PM Pacific by medved
Evolution: What is it? (long article)		144 posted on 4/4/02 6:25 PM Pacific by medved
Bishop warns Blair over danger of creationism	9 posted on 4/6/02 5:48 PM Pacific by medved	10 posted on 4/6/02 5:49 PM Pacific by medved
Gould Strikes Back At Creationists		319 posted on 4/10/02 8:54 PM Pacific by medved
The Truth for Youth: The Stupidest Comics Ever	30 posted on 4/20/02 1:48 PM Pacific by medved	131 posted on 4/20/02 6:25 PM Pacific by medved
White House to honor prominent evolutionist	64 posted on 5/9/02 8:16 PM Pacific by medved	65 posted on 5/9/02 8:18 PM Pacific by medved
["Icons of Evolution"] Premiere Evolves into Protest	38 posted on 5/20/02 7:23 PM Pacific by medved
Intelligent Design? (Another School Board Disclaimers Evolution)		52 posted on 5/23/02 6:44 PM Pacific by medved
Berkeley s Radical An Interview with Phillip E. Johnson		323 posted on 5/30/02 11:37 AM Pacific by medved
Scientific Boehner: The new creationism and the congressmen who support it.	112 posted on 6/6/02 1:59 AM Pacific by medved	104 posted on 6/6/02 1:10 AM Pacific by medved
Theory of 'intelligent design' isn't ready for natural selection	194 posted on 6/7/02 5:58 PM Pacific by medved	192 posted on 6/7/02 5:55 PM Pacific by medved
Cretigo: Bingo game on the Crevo threads!	32 posted on 6/12/02 8:18 PM Pacific by medved	27 posted on 6/12/02 6:35 PM Pacific by medved
Creationists Latch On To Canadian Research	12 posted on 6/16/02 7:11 AM Pacific by medved	11 posted on 6/16/02 7:08 AM Pacific by medved
15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense [THE FINAL DEBUNKING]	85 posted on 6/17/02 6:45 AM Pacific by medved	83 posted on 6/17/02 6:43 AM Pacific by medved
Intelligent Design Is Creationism in a Cheap Tuxedo	48 posted on 7/1/02 9:40 AM Pacific by medved	49 posted on 7/1/02 9:41 AM Pacific by medved
Missing-link fossil wasn't a fish -- it has a pelvis	40 posted on 7/5/02 7:51 AM Pacific by medved	54 posted on 7/5/02 10:29 AM Pacific by medved

[bigcheese]

But it's the pelvic thrust,
that really drives you in-say-yay-yay-yane...
let's do the time warp again!

(just something about this article inspired me)

[f.Christian]

Evolution is spam--turkey....garble-garble!!

[jennyp]

The facts in this case would certainly seem to be against the theory of evolution. These fellows got their 'guess' wrong the first time, or at least that's what they are telling us. So you are going to believe they are right this time just because they say they are? That's not facts, that's faith. :)

Read the article again. "The first time" was when the grad student first showed his professor the still-dirty fossil that he had just started working on. The fish interpretation was never published, because the professor immediately suspected it was really a pelvis and not just a big fish scale. Only now, when the fossil has been fully cleaned & examined, that they're publishing the data that it's a transitional with a pelvis.

[jennyp]

Sounds like the biggest difference between Dahmer and yourself is Dahmer had the guts to live according to his beliefs while you appear to be trying to hedge bets.

OK, Medved. Let's examine this silly "evolutionists==Dahmer" argument of yours. How does forced gay sex followed by murder followed by the ritual eating of said forced sex partner contribute to the survival & flourishing of our species?

I've tried & tried to understand how this could possibly be good for the species' survival, and I just can't. But I trust that your superior mind has come up with an unassailable evolutionary explanation for this. Please enlighten us...

[ContentiousObjector]

Your going to have to explain that one?

Earth orbiting Saturn?

[PoisedWoman]

she has now installed her fossil as a member of the Whatcheeriidae family

Found a fish with a pelvis? In What Cheer, Iowa? LMAO! Undoubtedly traveled there from Polynesia,where it invented the hula and other pelvis-centric dances. Natives cheered, town was named. No more ridiculous that many of posts to this thread.

[f.Christian]

Jeffrey Dahmer...evolutionist---cult of darwin-marx-satan)!

[Shryke]

ASSUMING that Abracadabra-Shazaam(TM) happens, then the rest of the business proceeds as we have described in our scholarly discourse above!

Isn't that what you are saying happened as well, as a Creationist? G-d said Shazam?

[BMCDA]

Earth orbiting Saturn?

Yepp, according to this guy earth orbited once Saturn.

But if you want to know more about this earth shattering theory you'll have to go to http://www.bearfabrique.org where Ted Holden explains it all en détaille.

[Shryke]

There/you - go again! 'It's-all' dashes/slants!

Impossible to 'understand' - Crazy/Chicken! Gobble-Gobble!

I know F.christian has been around for awhile, but does anyone else find his method of expression a tad baffling?

[Dimensio]

Yes. f.Christian is a known joke on FR.

[f.Christian]

Evolution is spam--turkey....garble-garble!!

[EBUCK]

Oh, I get it now. Thanks for clearing that up for me....

EBUCK

[EBUCK]

Good point. We don't know. And considering that this fossil has been mis-ID'd before there is a good chance that after objective peer review it will be debunked. That is the nice thing about science, questions are welcomed and in fact required before a theory is accepted by the community (scientific, that is).

EBUCK

[medved]

Abuse button hit.

[EBUCK]

Why?

EBUCK

[medved]

I'm delighted that you two guys have found each other. Isn't the internet wonderful? And now, Jorge, let medved explain to you how the earth used to orbit Saturn. A great intellectual adventure awaits you...

You can check that out on catastrophism.com, kronia.com, or any of several other sites noted in the list of linkes I posted. Then you might want to bop over to Tower Records or Borders or something like that and look under "bluegrass" until you come up with Flatt and Scruggs or somebody with a cut of "Keep Your Hands Off of It, Cause It Don't Belong to You".and try to memorize the lyrics. I mean, you've got to be the damndest case I've ever seen of somebody living in a crystal house and wanting to throw rocks around in all directions...