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Enough, already, from the evangelical atheists
Houston Chronicle ^ | July 2, 2002 | MARTIN MILLER

Posted on 07/02/2002 5:16:45 PM PDT by Dog Gone

I'm struggling with my atheism.

I don't mean that I'm losing my belief in a random universe. I mean it's getting harder to remain in a congregation in which the membership -- at least that part that grabs the headlines -- skews toward the sullen, cantankerous and litigious.

Last week's court ruling that the Pledge of Allegiance violates the Constitution for its use of the phrase "under God" has no doubt many true believers crying, there "they" go again. The "they" is, of course, me, in that I'd be a card-carrying atheist if "they" bothered to issue one. But also not me in the sense that many of us of no faith have the same reaction as most with faith to cases like these: Lighten up; we live in a country in which a large majority identifies itself as Christian.

I can live with that.

Contrary to the God-fearing public's view of us as a monolith, atheists belong to many denominations. The branch that has been lawsuit-happy now for decades is from what I call the evangelical atheists.

They are intolerant, pushy and self-righteous. If it didn't interfere with their busy schedule of dark moods and constant brooding, they'd probably be handing out pamphlets and ringing doorbells. In short, they embody all the qualities that sparked this country's movement for religious tolerance and freedom in the first place.

Tolerance is something the lawsuit's plaintiff, Michael A. Newdow, could use a mighty dose of. He told reporters he doesn't believe in God for the same reason he doesn't believe in Santa Claus.

Evangelical atheists like Newdow delight in the Santa Claus analogy. It's memorable, sounds clever and is incredibly insulting. I've even heard the same assertion made with the Easter Bunny. In part, the evangelicals make such callous remarks because they see themselves as bringers of "Truth." And if a few feelings get hurt along the way, they reason, that's the price for the liberating light they bring.

But I would never make such a comparison, nor would many atheists I know. We wouldn't because it not only is bad manners and shows a lack of intellectual humility, it's also grossly unfair. It's empirically verifiable that there is no Santa Claus. The same cannot be said of God.

If you stuck a gun to my head (and, thankfully, I live in a country where that would happen only to rid me of my wallet rather than my religious beliefs), I would classify myself as an atheist. It was not a decision I made quickly or lightly. My reasons can probably be best summed up by paraphrasing the old Woody Allen joke: If there is a God, he's a tremendous underachiever.

But I cannot say with 100 percent certainty there is no God, and neither can anyone else. The proposition that the world just spontaneously came into being is preposterous. But so is the idea that a deity created the universe and now sits in judgment of what we humans do all day. Of course, if I'm wrong, I'm going to hell, as many evangelical Christians have told me. But I believe what I believe. Even we atheists must have faith.

The other problem with evangelicals like Newdow is that while he's so disrespectful about the beliefs of others, he insists his own be treated with the utmost reverence. Don't even mention the word "God" around him or he'll go to pieces. Society must accommodate him, not the other way around.

One of the many magnificent things about this country is that it does strive to accommodate the individual, but in this case, it's gone too far. There are no absolute rights, even with free speech. (Try shouting "fire" in a crowded movie theater.)

Thus, the question becomes what is reasonable. Is it reasonable in a nation where the dominant culture believes in God to recite the words "under God" in a classroom for a nonmandatory morning pledge?

I think so. I grew up in the Bible Belt and said the pledge every morning of elementary school and don't recall my delicate sensibilities being trampled upon or my belief system altered by the ritual. It's a harmless nod to the majority.

Now with the Justice Department seeking a rehearing by the full 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, it seems likely Newdow's lawsuit will be overturned, as it should be. But, in the meantime, guys like him will continue to shape public perceptions of atheists.

I'm a newspaperman and I know how the business works, but one headline I'd love to see out of this affair is: "Well-Adjusted Atheist Doesn't Object to `God.' "


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1 posted on 07/02/2002 5:16:45 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: wardcleaver
bttt
2 posted on 07/02/2002 5:18:56 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Dog Gone
Good point. I am certian most athiests don't mind a bit the phrase "under God". I remember as a kid just mimicing the pledge without any comprehension of it anyway.
3 posted on 07/02/2002 5:21:00 PM PDT by rageaholic
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To: Dog Gone
I love it! Thank you to the atheist author.
4 posted on 07/02/2002 5:24:33 PM PDT by RAT Patrol
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To: Dog Gone
While working in the home of a military man today, I noticed the enscription on a WW I German helmet he happened to have on his desk. If I translated corectly, it read (in German):
With God for King and Fatherland

I wonder if the Kaiser's god was the same as our God?

5 posted on 07/02/2002 5:27:25 PM PDT by snopercod
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To: snopercod
I wonder if the Kaiser's god was the same as our God?

More than likely, the same God as Osama's.
6 posted on 07/02/2002 5:59:31 PM PDT by Registered
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To: Dog Gone
I used to be an atheist. But then, as I started to learn more about the Universe by reading about developments in modern physics, I became persuaded that atheism was incompatible with a scientific approach to existence.

True, I am only a layman, and there is a lot about physics I don't understand. But the more I listen to scientists trying to translate the meaning of their mathematical equations into English, the more they begin to sound like religious mystics.

And if they ever do find the Unified FIeld Theory, which I think is likely, I think the scientific proof of God's existence will be undeniable.

7 posted on 07/02/2002 6:09:34 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: snopercod
Perhaps "God" as Napoleon said, " is on the side with the most Battalions"
8 posted on 07/02/2002 6:20:31 PM PDT by catonsville
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To: Maceman
"I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the actions of individuals, or would directly sit in judgment on creatures of his own creation. I cannot do this in spite of the fact that mechanistic causality has, to a certain extent, been placed in doubt by modern science. [He was speaking of Quantum Mechanics and the breaking down of determinism.] My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality. Morality is of the highest importance -- but for us, not for God."
[Albert Einstein, from "Albert Einstein: The Human Side", edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press]
9 posted on 07/02/2002 6:30:50 PM PDT by reasonseeker
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To: Dog Gone
If you stuck a gun to my head (and, thankfully, I live in a country where that would happen only to rid me of my wallet rather than my religious beliefs),

Just wait, give them another 10 to 15 years and I would not doubt one bit.

10 posted on 07/02/2002 6:32:16 PM PDT by JZoback
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To: Dog Gone
Evangelical atheists like Newdow delight in the Santa Claus analogy. It's memorable, sounds clever and is incredibly insulting. I've even heard the same assertion made with the Easter Bunny. In part, the evangelicals make such callous remarks because they see themselves as bringers of "Truth." And if a few feelings get hurt along the way, they reason, that's the price for the liberating light they bring.

But I would never make such a comparison, nor would many atheists I know. We wouldn't because it not only is bad manners and shows a lack of intellectual humility, it's also grossly unfair. It's empirically verifiable that there is no Santa Claus. The same cannot be said of God.

This part I don't understand. I don't see how you can empirically verify that there is no Santa Claus. You can't prove a negative. I have lost my faith in Santa Claus, for the same reason I lost my faith in God - there's no empirical evidence for either magical person's existence.
11 posted on 07/02/2002 6:35:29 PM PDT by jennyp
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To: jennyp
Sshhh. He's trying to make nice. The world didn't just appear 'spontaneously,' either.
12 posted on 07/02/2002 6:43:18 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: reasonseeker
Morality is of the highest importance -- but for us, not for God.

I don't disagree with anything in this quote. I said I am not an atheist, but I am also not a Christian, and long ago abandoned the Judaism of my youth.

I never believed that God needed us to worship Him because he is insecure. I just think that God is like a river that we need to go to gain strength and spiritual nourishment. I don't think that God gets anything out of being worshipped. The worship is for us, not for him (I use "him" for convenience, because I believe that God is beyond gender).

As for morality, I see it as a code that we need to live by because it works for human beings in God's physical universe. I don't think God sits in individual judgment on us. I just think that the Universe is the physical manefestation of God's law, and we act in opposition to that to our own detriment and ultimate destruction.

So I think Einstein's perspective makes a lot of sense here.

13 posted on 07/02/2002 6:43:35 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: snopercod
While working in the home of a military man today, I noticed the enscription on a WW I German helmet he happened to have on his desk. If I translated corectly, it read (in German):

       With God for King and Fatherland

German soldiers of WWII wore a belt buckle with the inscription: Gött mit uns.

America's Fifth Column ... watch PBS documentary JIHAD! In America
Download 8 Mb zip file here (60 minute video)

14 posted on 07/02/2002 7:34:15 PM PDT by JCG
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To: jennyp
Jenny, some of the world's greatest scientists in history would disagree with you greatly on that one.


15 posted on 07/02/2002 7:40:26 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: jennyp
I don't see how you can empirically verify that there is no Santa Claus.

Instead of going to the media, Virginia could have stayed up all night waiting for the jolly old elf to come down the chimney. Seems pretty empirical to me.

16 posted on 07/02/2002 7:41:49 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: Dog Gone
Excellent.

Could have been written by Pardek, if Pardek knew how to write.

17 posted on 07/02/2002 7:46:00 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: jennyp
CNN: US Military (NORAD) Is Tracking Santa Claus
18 posted on 07/02/2002 7:49:54 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Senator Pardek
Pardek knows how to write, but he has other priorities.

But I agree, this was excellent.

19 posted on 07/02/2002 7:51:32 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Atheists
"The other problem with evangelicals like Newdow is that while he's so disrespectful about the beliefs of others, he insists his own be treated with the utmost reverence."

"They are intolerant, pushy and self-righteous."

This has been my experience exactly.
20 posted on 07/02/2002 8:16:50 PM PDT by moteineye
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