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Gang-rape of teenager ordered as punishment for brother's sins
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| 7/2/02
| Anon
Posted on 07/01/2002 4:32:35 PM PDT by What Is Ain't
A teenage girl was gang-raped in central Pakistan last month as "punishment" meted out by a tribal jury for her brother's alleged affair with a woman of a higher tribe, police said.
A Panchayat, or tribal jury, ordered four men, including one of the jurists, to rape the 18-year-old girl on June 22 in the village of Meerwala.
Meerwala lies 610 kilometres south-west of the capital Islamabad.
District police chief Malik Saeed Awan said authorities were informed of the publicly-ordered gang-rape several days after the incident.
He said four men took turns to sexually assault the girl inside a room. She was then ordered to return home naked before 1,000 onlookers.
The rape was to avenge the "insult" caused to a family of the Mastoi tribe by the girl's brother's alleged "illicit affair" with a woman of a higher social standing.
The girl and her brother were from the lower Gujjar tribe.
The Panchayat had threatened that all women in the accused's family would be raped unless the 18-year-old submitted herself to the public gang rape.
Awan said police were taking action against members of the Panchayat.
Lawyers visiting the tribal area on Sunday urged the authorities to prosecute the rapists and the jury.
TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: crime; rape; religionofpeace
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
"...on what grounds is Afghanistan still a free-fire zone, for US airpower? They've elected a new Parliament, right?"
It is still being investigated. I haven't heard any news today so far. It is my understanding that there are still pockets of bad guys there against whom they still conduct operations.
To: Byron_the_Aussie
To: strela
"Why in the world would I have ever wanted to "avoid" this discussion?...I can't imagine. That said, why is it so difficult for you to answer this question:
Do you condemn the Muslims who sentenced that teenage girl to be gang raped for something her brother did?
Yes or no?
Yes or no? You can't answer "Yes," can you? Come on...a simple "Yes," and I will agree to wash your car for a year.
You can't say it, can you? Because you are not allowed to, according to Islam.
let's see the one word answer: "Yes." You can't say it.
Everyone: watch and learn.
To: MonroeDNA; strela
Everyone: watch and learn... how MonroeDNA makes a boorish ass of himself. Judging people based on race, religion, or ethnicity is a sin against justice, and conservatives are big on furthering and fostering justice. According to your illogic, President Bush must be a Muslim, too.
To: Restorer
I have all my teeth...thank you very much. They may be cigar stained between trips to the dental hygenist, but they are all there!
To: Don Myers
To: MonroeDNA
...keep the mission secret, from those Saudis, until they have no choice. No chance to back out. Standard ops...I'm sure you're right. But my meaning was rather that if even most of the 911 hijackers didn't know their targets, then how can Muslims in general be blamed? Collective guilt is wrong.
To: Cultural Jihad; MonroeDNA; strela
Judging people based on race, religion, or ethnicity is a sin against justice, and conservatives are big on furthering and fostering justice. We're just having fun demonstrating a certain aspect of Islam: An orthodox Muslim cannot take the side of a non-Muslim against a fellow Muslim. Even if the fellow Muslim is the criminal aggressor. The dancing around that you and strela have been doing these past few days has been very illustrative for the rest of FR.
This has fundamental ramifications on the question of whether it is possible for Muslims to be loyal Americans. Can a Muslim law-enforcement agent be trusted to investigate another Muslim? Can Muslims be trusted to apply justice on a jury where the defendent is a fellow Muslim? The question of divided loyalty needs to be explored.
To: SauronOfMordor
I understand your point. If there are institutional or dogmatic reasons which prevent Muslims from denouncing the barbarity of their brethren then it will be Allah alone who will correct those errors. If there are political, cultural, and nationalistic reasons which motivate Muslims to silence, then those can be fought politically, culturally, and if need be militarily.
To: MonroeDNA
Yes or no?Very interesting lack of responsiveness to your question.
If you are correct that an orthodox Muslim cannot condemn a fellow Muslim who is engaged in conflict with non-Muslims, I find it difficult to understand why.
Especially when the Muslim's conduct is obviously in direct conflict with Muslim law, as in the case we've been discussing.
To: What Is Ain't
I'd say this was more a tribal thing than an Islamic thing. This sort of thing is definitley a no-no according to strict Islam.
471
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07/03/2002 7:30:36 AM PDT
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gd124
To: Restorer
If you are correct that an orthodox Muslim cannot condemn a fellow Muslim who is engaged in conflict with non-Muslims, I find it difficult to understand why. Islam is a religion of battle and conquest. One thing a military commander CANNOT allow (and Mohammed WAS a military commander) is factional fighting among his forces. Even worse would be a faction going over to the enemy (infidel) side. Not taking the side of the infidel aginst a Muslim is one of the strongest taboos of Islamic culture (as strela has demonstrated).
To: MonroeDNA
Watching.....
To: MonroeDNA
Everyone: watch and learn. Here comes the lesson ...
Go buy a parrot, MonroeDNA. Good day.
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07/03/2002 11:02:31 AM PDT
by
strela
To: strela
http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne ws?tmpl=story&u=/nm/200207 03/wl_nm/crime_pakistan_rape_d c_1
Anger at Reports Pakistan Jury Ordered Gang-Rape
Wed Jul 3, 2:46 PM ET
By Nasir Malick
ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan's Supreme Court expressed outrage on Wednesday at reports that a traditional village jury in Punjab province ordered the gang-rape of a teenage girl and summoned local officials to explain the affair.
The country's top court said local newspapers had reported that a crowd of villagers, too frightened to protest against the jury's ruling, had watched four men rape the girl inside a farmhouse and force her to walk home naked.
"This is a shocking incident in the 21st century concerning blatant violation of human rights as well as human dignity," the court said in a notice to the provincial police chief and other officials, whom it ordered to appear before it on Friday.
Local newspapers said the village jury, or panchayat, ordered the gang-rape on June 22 as punishment for an alleged love affair between the girl's brother and a girl from a high-caste tribe.
The police registered a complaint eight days later, after a delegation of lawyers met the local police chief and pressed for action.
Newspapers reported that the girl's family at Meerwala Jatoi village had hesitated to approach the police for fear of further retribution by the influential Mastoi tribe against her weaker Gujjar tribe.
Hundreds of people watched the gang-rape but "none dared to speak up against the injustice," the Daily Times newspaper reported. It quoted "some of them" as saying they had been threatened with death if they raised any objection.
The Supreme Court said it had asked the Punjab police chief and three other police officers to appear before it on Friday in the provincial capital Lahore to explain "the action taken by them in this case."
Police said they had arrested all eight members of the panchayat, a traditional tribal forum for settling local disputes without going to police or a court, but were still hunting for four alleged rapists.
Azhar Abbas, the village police chief, told Reuters the panchayat members had been accused of "abetment," which carries the same punishment as rape -- punishable with death under Pakistan's Islamic laws.
OUTRAGE TO SOCIETY
The Alliance for the Repeal of Discriminatory Laws, which brings together several local rights groups, called the incident an "outrage to society."
"That such a decree was issued by a tribal jury and carried out with impunity is not only a monumental crime and violation of the rights of the girl but also an outrage for society and an affront to the state of Pakistan," an Alliance statement said.
The respected Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP), an alliance member, said in a separate statement that the gang-rape on the order of a panchayat presented an "alarming picture of the atrocities" committed against women.
An Interior Ministry official said strict action would be taken against those "who have brought shame on society and on the nation."
The recently issued HRCP report for 2001 estimates a woman is raped every two hours in Pakistan, but says most sexual assaults go unreported because of the social stigma and the impossibility of proving the charges.
In populous Punjab province, a woman is raped every six hours and a woman gang-raped every fourth day, yet only 321 rape cases were reported to police last year, it said.
To: What Is Ain't
Islam: the religion of peace ... and gang rape.
To: Byron_the_Aussie
"I've never heard of this one. And it sounds very hard to believe." It is strange but true. Not even a last resort - a first resort. And if ever your car breaks down in the desert - save your urine. That's a free tip.
Actually, no amount of bush survival skills are as odd as the more recent events in Horsham (my post 220). After that, people did ask me if Australians are usually violently religious, and I said "no" - for that type of extremism is surely rare. I had close relatives living in that town then, so I should be able to understand it, but I can't.
To: Taxula
Great post Taxula. Very thankful to find someone on the forum THINKING. I don't agree with you altogether on Afghanistan, but look forward to debating a few points (smile.) As far as the pictures of the woman's execution goes, you are so right to raise doubts. For one thing, that woman was sentenced to death because she was convicted of killing her husband (it is not a adultery case, that caption is wrong). George W Bush signed death warrants for exactly the same offence.
To: goldenstategirl
After paging me in a most agressive manner, you have not replied to my post, (post 220), so I shall respond again to you.
Greetings to your friend the Hindu monk, and I am sure that what you say is true, and that he would never be involved in gang rape. But this does not alter the fact that gang rape is used in India and Pakistan as a means of social control between castes. It relates to tribal customs which are pre-Christian and pre-Islamic. Here is a link to an article discussing such cases, and also the efforts of decent people to bring a halt to it.
http://www.oneworld.org/ips2/n ov/india_rape.html
It is funny that you expect me to defend Islam to you. Because I am a Catholic, and an academic, I constantly get dumb, aggresive comments from people at the University (it is a very secular environment.) All about "a Catholic priests did this" "another Catholic did that" "how do you defend this or that Bishop?" On and on. Every day, it seems, some Catholic commits some dreadful crime, and they get support from the hierachy, and religious ideology, in covering it up. Then I am expected to come up with an answer - have you any to suggest?
The reason why you took me for a Muslim is because I have been researching to write a biography of a woman who was a leading Shia Muslim intellectual in Iraq. My last manuscript (still unpublished, hope to bring it out) is a life study of a Catholic saint. I like doing comparative religious studies. If you do not like it, then you do not have to read what I write. Remember, I have never pinged you.
On women's position, you state: "not inferior ... Eve was created from a rib from Adam's side. Not a bone from his foot to be ruled over by him ... etc." I hope that you realise that this is a Jewish quote, it comes from the Talmud. The role of Christian women is spelt out in the New Testament "Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God." 1 Corinthians 11:3. And it is for this reason that the woman is cover her head. That is not according to me, it is according to Scripture.
To: BlackVeil; MonroeDNA
#1) I know you're not a Catholic from your previous posts, so don't even try.
#2)Answer this question please:
Do you condemn the Muslims who sentenced that teenage girl to be gang raped for something her brother did?
Yes or no?
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