5 rules for (CCW) Concealed Carry Weapon

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[biblewonk]

80 million honest american citizens provided protection for their families last night. What did you do?

What are you talking about. 80 million honest americans were packing last night? I thought this was CCW.

[glc1173@aol.com]

"It occured to me recently that most small women (like myself) almost always carry a small weapon for obvious reasons."

Check out the Sig P232 - a .380 double-action semi superficially resembling the Walther PPK and that same size. Also check out the similar-sized Kahr K9 double-action semi in 9mm. Both are great.

[CWRWinger]

So avoid all those new tiny .32 semis.

An SC LEO pulled me over a while back for traveling many decibels above the post limit on a deserted back road. He asked me if I was carrying, when I produced a CWP. "Yes" and then he asked me what. I told him a .32 auto. He promptly went into a lecture on how I should be carrying at least a 9mm. He didn't ticket me, even though he could have impounded my car. Then came the stearn warning, "Get rid of the mouse gun." I did.

[newgeezer]

This is one 'conservative issue I could care less about.

Glad to hear you're with us on the Second Amendment, brother. Because, as most of us know, only a spineless, mealy-mouthed Finestein-Schumerite couldn't care less about it.

;-)

[CHICAGOFARMER]

to biblewonk What are you talking about. 80 million honest americans were packing last night? I thought this was CCW.

Sounds like you are a gun owner, who is chooses to venture outside the home with a firearm. That is ok not everybody is willing to carry when they travel in dangerous areas. Only 1% carry in most states. Michigan 53,000 CCW is a small % of gun owners of the state.

[john in missouri]

ping.

[biblewonk]

Glad to hear you're with us on the Second Amendment, brother. Because, as most of us know, only a spineless, mealy-mouthed Finestein-Schumerite couldn't care less about it.

I know you are not talking to me, and I also know that the 2nd ammendment is not about the 'right' to carry a 357 into a bar or a park or even down the alley in my hood. When you say brother are we brothers in arms on this issue? Guns are not my Father.

[nuancey]

Thanks for the info. Do either one of the pistols you mentioned look--um--sufficiently intimidating?

[alaskanfan]

"DISPLAY YOUR WEAPON, GO TO JAIL."

I guess this doesn't apply to all.

I read last night in my new America's 1st freedom, about an incident with then Maryland Governor Donald Schafer.

To quopte the article:On March 15, 1993 he called a press conference hyping his proposal to ban 15 semi-automatic pistols.

After a reporter smiled at one of the governor's foreboding comments, Schaefer pointed a 9 mm pistol at the reporter and declared: "Some of you have never had it in your face. I bet you wouldn't be laughing. I bet you wouldn't be smiling. I don't know what would happen to your pants, but I can imagine."

Police routinely arrest people who point guns (even unloaded guns) at other people on charges of criminal assault. If a private citizen had pointed an unloaded gun at the governor, the penalty likely would have been instant death from the governor's numerous armed bodyguards. But Schaefer's press secretary later explained: "Because he did not mean it in a threatening way, I don't see that it was a problem, from his perspective.

Seems like there is a dual standard.

[Palmetto]

After a reporter smiled at one of the governor's foreboding comments, Schaefer pointed a 9 mm pistol at the reporter and declared:

This is about the time a CWP-carrying audience member could have - and should have - legally blown the governor away.

[Palmetto]

There is no such thing as an unloaded weapon.

[alaskanfan]

I was amazed at the draconian gun laws in the state of Maryland. I'm glad I don't live there.

[john in missouri]

Thanks for the info. Do either one of the pistols you mentioned look--um--sufficiently intimidating?

The Kahr might be a bit more intimidating than your baby Glock. BTW, is the Glock a 9mm?

I don't think I would give intimidation value prime consideration in choice of a handgun. I think you should think first and foremost about what is going to best do the job if you do have to use it. What is going to be good enough to do the job; what can you shoot accurately and well; what will be practical for you to carry.

Unless you're dealing with something really small, I'm not sure you would get that much higher of a back-down rate based on the size of the gun.

There's another important factor here in the back-down rate: your demeanor, and I'm not sure you can convincingly fake that in the stress of a real confrontation.

Personally, I wouldn't count on simply sticking out a big, "intimidating" gun and counting on that to do the trick. Sounds better to me to have a mid-sized gun and be prepared to use it, than to have a big one and not be prepared to use it.

[WindMinstrel]

"Get rid of the mouse gun." I did.

Buahahaaa! That's freakin' beautiful! If a cop in my area found someone carrying concealed (with a permit) he'd still have 'em spread on the pavement. Maybe I should move to SC

[john in missouri]

You could always get a .45 -- I don't mean to dissuade you from a big gun -- but whatever you get, make sure it's not so big you end up not carrying it ("better the .32 with you than the .45 at home"); make sure you know how to use it and can use it with skill and accuracy; make sure you have down COLD WHEN and HOW to use it; and make sure you're prepared to use it if need be and can communicate that clearly to a perp.

And personally, I wouldn't go for anything smaller than a 9mm.

[john in missouri]

Oklahoma is also quite self-defense friendly, as shown by the following rules regarding somebody who breaks into your home in Oklahoma (read the following carefully!):

PHYSICAL OR DEADLY FORCE AGAINST INTRUDER

A. The Legislature hereby recognizes that the citizens of the State of Oklahoma have a right to expect absolute safety within their own homes.

B. Any occupant of a dwelling is justified in using any degree of physical force, including but not limited to deadly force, against another person who has made an unlawful entry into that dwelling and when the occupant has a reasonable belief that such other person might use any physical force, no matter how slight, against any occupant of the dwelling.

C. Any occupant of a dwelling using physical force, including but not limited to deadly force, pursuant to the provisions of subsection B of this section, shall have an affirmative defense in any criminal prosecution for an offense arising from the reasonable use of such force and shall be immune from any civil liability for injuries or death resulting from the reasonable use of such force.

D. The provisions of this section and the provisions of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act, Sections 1 through 25 of this act, shall not be construed to require any person using a pistol pursuant to the provisions of this section to be licensed in any manner.

[Britton J Wingfield]

"It's been a burning issue," according to Bradley DeBraska, president of the Milwaukee Police Association, who says off-duty officers worry about retaliation from criminals they've arrested. "We basically have 50 different state laws that regulate police officers and concealment when we cross state lines, and we simply don't know them all. We don't have a clue."

A deputy friend of mine was assaulted at a shopping mall by some perp he had dealth with in the past. He didn't even remember the guy. Perp and his friends were armed, and after knocking myfriend down from behind they threatened his wife. Luckily, several more deputies that had been shopping with them earlier (but had left to go to another store) showed up, drew concealed weapons, and put a stop to everything.

My friend can carry concealed, but had left his pistol in his vehicle for some reason. I bet he never does that again.

[nuancey]

Your point is well taken. While I can shoot a .45 and .357 Magnum with success, it's just not nearly as practical to carry as my little 9mm Glock with a 10 round magazine.

My demeanor is along the lines of "make my day" (I brandished once to a stalker trying to break into my glass door at home) I thought at the time he was mortified at the sight of my big, shiny Magnum as his eyes were fixated on it.

I just can't say I would have gotten the same 'scared rabbit' response with my carry Glock.

[Squantos]

Very good, CF ! Albeit I always called it opportunity, capability and intent.....which BTW , all three must be present before deadly force can be considered....ALL 3 nothing less.......

Never shoot to kill , shoot to live..........:o)

Stay Safe !

[lideric]

"DISPLAY YOUR WEAPON, GO TO JAIL."

Don't quite agree with this one. In Arizona and several states we can carry concealed or openly. For example I see bikers all the time driving down the road with a handgun on their hip. Maybe you mean brandish rather than display?