Jim Quinn interview David Shippers and Janya Davis concerning OKC terrorist connection(6/27/02).

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[McGruff]

Yesterday (6/27/2002)Jim Quinn had an interview with David Shippers and Janya Davis concerning John Doe #2 OKC Middle eastern terrorist cover-up.

It's now available in his archives. Go to the link above and click on show archives and 6/27/2002. It’s available in multiple formats. Segment starts 1 hour and 30 mins into the broadcast.

It's definitely worth listening.

[Fred Mertz]

From Nancie Drew:

Not only distorting the truth, but making up things. Jayna has absolutely never worked for anyone in the government.

It sounds like Jayna Davis never "officially" worked for the government, that is, received payment for her services.

I am of the opinion that she had some sort of "arrangement" with elements of the government, possibly the FBI and others concerning some of the evidence she gathered.

Nita, I don't think withholding evidence of an official warning for five years is a trivial matter at all.

[Nancie Drew]

That is one of many accusations.
There would be a whole group of Freepers that would criticize Jayna if she had appeared at the McVeigh trial and had helped him. In fact, I am rather surprised at that criticism.

She tried to get O’Reilly interested in it, but he cut her off before she could get all the information out. That was May of 2001. Jayna had wanted to bring out everything on the prior warning on that program. It was very much beyond her control. Our Governor Keating was on right before her and his segment went over and Jayna was not allowed to say what she went on there to talk about. She had every intention of bringing all of the warning information out. I have listened to the Quinn program again and Schippers just says it is now time to start speaking out. He is talking about speaking out in general. He does not say on the prior warning.


Here is a run down of some of the people Jayna tried to give the information on the prior warning to:

January of 1997 – Oklahoma County D.A.’s office
1997-Grand Jury (another lie of OKCSubmariner is that she did not tell the Grand Jury about the prior warning-not true- she was totally upfront with them but who knows what the FBI said or the D.A.’s office said to contradict her. One of the assistant D.A.’s did contact Bodansky)
1997-FBI office
1999-FBI office
May, 2001-McVeigh’s defense team. McVeigh’s lawyers evidently do not want to pursue the information.
2000 and 2001-Nichols defense team (both state and federal)
Congress (both houses)

OKCSubmariner would lead you to believe that he has pressed for the Middle Eastern connection all along and the prior warning. He was one of Jayna’s worst critics about what she had, along with Key and others. He wanted to focus on the domestic side. If someone has the long response I gave on April 18, 2002, to answer some of OKCSubmariner’s lies, feel free to repost it. I do not have it in a format that I could repost it. I would have to retype it. It explains why OKCSubmariner has turned against Jayna. It started when she would not return his phone calls in January of this year. (When she was at KFOR, the station had to ask OKCSubmariner to quit calling Jayna. He was a telephone stalker).

There seems to be many armchair quarterbacks on Free Republic. Jayna was trying to get people to listen but when there is a media blackout, it is hard. My previous reply would explain why certain individuals had lost their credibility and Jayna could not use them to get information out. If someone cannot find a way to repost it, I will try to retype it but it will be a while. I am beginning to see that it is a waste of time to deal with someone like OKCSubmariner who has a vendetta and will post lies. You can never win when someone is willing to say anything to make his point. In addition, I am very offended that OKCSubmariner would say that Jayna’s friends are being misled. I have talked almost daily on the telephone with Jayna. I have proofread most of her investigation. I have lived and breathed this investigation for seven years. I have witnessed her efforts to maintain her credibilty and trying to decide whom you can trust and who is out to destroy you. I have seen the financial sacrifice her family has made to get this information into the right hands. I could go on and on but I think you get the picture.

[Free the USA]

thanks for the ping

[Fred Mertz]

Here is a run down of some of the people Jayna tried to give the information on the prior warning to:

Just for clarification, did she give them a copy of the warning or did she try to?

I'll assume she did give them the info, unless you tell me otherwise. Thanks for the additional info. I tried to do a search for your April 18 response without success, I'm sure someone will find it, so don't re-type it again. Thanks again Nancie.

[Plummz]

Do you think it possible Hussaini is John Doe 2b, spotted at Murrah, and someone else, possibly Padilla, is John Doe 2a, spotted at the Ryder rental place?

[OKCSubmariner]

Reply #122 is greatly in error and the poster is sadly misinformed and mistaken.

More than half of my articles posted on the FreeRepublic going back over two years (and a year before Davis) ever spoke up on OReilly) deal with Bill Jaspers and my evidence showing the involvement of ME terrorists in the OKC bombing including even the present time.

I have always believed ME terrorists and domestic terrorists (in addition to McVeigh and Nichols) were invovlwed in the OKC bombing. And that is the view of William Jasper of the NEw AMerican (Who I helped write articles on the ME invovlment for the New American)and the former Pentagon terror advisor Jesse Clear who I have quoted on FR for over two years.

Back in 2000 I started writing articles and replies on FR that were crtical of the coverup by Senator Inhofe and COngressman Istook of their knowledege of the ME connection to the OKC bombing back in 2000. I did this because, as I wrote in the articles and replies, I knew from evidence and witness accounts there was a ME connection to the OKC bombing and a coverup by them and the FBI of the ME connection.

I even spoke to the best witness of AL Hussaini near the Murrah building, Kay Heron, when she interviewed with Willaim JAsper in 1995. I believed Heron then and I believe her today-I have always beleived her.

I even took Jasper to Samir Khalil's house (employer of AL Hussaini and Abraham Ahmad) back in 1996 to interview Kahlil. I have been continuoisly and personally supporting attorney Mike Johnston's efforts on the ME connection in OKC since 1995 including recently. Johnston has filed a lawsuit against Iraq on behalf of the OKC bombing victims. Johnston and Schippers both provide advice and information to Judicial Watch efforts on the OKC bombing.

Michael Rivero used to disagree with me on FR from time to time becasue I kept promoting the ME connection to OKC bombing when Mike was on FR back in 2000. Mike did not beleive the ME connection to OKC at the time despite my best efforts to persuade him. I think Mike made tremendous contributions to the OKC bombing story by collecting evidence of FBI coverup and the domestic John Doe involvemnt. Mike even offerred me all of his files . He really cared deeply about this story for the sake of the country.

[OKCSubmariner]

Please see replies #85, #118 and #126. Thanks

[Nancie Drew]

I used the word "tried" because of the inaction on the part of the recipients of the information. (In 1997, the FBI did refuse the information, but then took possession of it in 1999). Of course, all the government agencies had received the prior warnings in 1995 that there would be an Islamic attack and she is the one that finally forced it to come out. We wouldn't be writing about this today if it had not been for her giving her information to John Solomon. Yeah, that's right. He did not deem it credible in March of 2000. Three months later, he deems it credible and does the story. The last contact she had with Solomon he was debunking her information. By the way, the entire thread that I posted the rebuttal on was pulled. If someone had saved it to a file, maybe we could retrieve it. I may have to retype it.

[Betty Jo]

I am not just talking about "cover-ups".

I am talking about those who are responsible for the murders at Murrah,the Cole and WTC.

Those who chose to be stupid.

Those who chose not to do what they were elected, hired or appointed to do!

Those include all those in my "boat" above.

[rdavis84]

"By the way, the entire thread that I posted the rebuttal on was pulled. If someone had saved it to a file, maybe we could retrieve it."

Lot of that went on, and still does.

I MAY have captured that one on CD but it'll take a while to search for. I'll note on this thread later this evening.

[OKCSubmariner]

See reply #128:

Pat Briley was a LT (low rank) in the US Navy. He served under Admiral Rickover at Naval Reactors in Washington DC. and worked as a project engineer on the design and construction of the nuclear power plant components for the TRIDENT ballistic submarine. Briley has a BS and MS (minor in Nuclear Engineering) in Chemical engineering from Northwestern University in Evanston Illinois. He attended the Navy's graduate level Nuclear Reactor Engineering school at Bettis Atomic Power LAb near Pittsburg. Briley has been a seismic computer programmer in OKC for Digicon and Professional Geophysics Incorporated.

Briley has been interviewed frequently by Tom Valentine and other radio show hosts around the country since 1996 about the ME connections to the OKC bobming. He has investigated th OKC bombing since the bombing on APril 19, 1995 independent of the US government. He has never been employed by anyone in the news media or by anyone else to work on the OKC bombing case. He has provided his research for free to Jayna Davis ,Charles Key,William JAsper,the New York TImes,Insight Magazine,WorldNet Daily,the Senate Intelligence Committee(1995-2002) and Senate Judicary Committee (1997-20002)and staffs of COngressmen and Senators for many years. He has reported the providing of this research in his articles and replies on the FR.

Pat Briley has never met with a militia member nor has he ever attended a militia meeting. He is not a member of any militia. Briley has been contacted by phone by militia members who worked closely with the FBI (FBI agents Dan Vogel and Pete Rickles worked closely with Ross Hulett of OK))in militias and tried to arrange a meeting between Briley and the FBI in 1996 about the OKC bombing (Briley did not attend the meeting and declined). Briley has reported this in his articles and replies on the FreeRepublic since 2000.

David Schippers and Charles Key and Pat Briley have been guests on Tom Valentines radio show off and on for years . They are friends. Schippers was on a Tom Valentines radio program a little over two months ago discussing the OKC bombing and the ME connection.

Most of Tom's guests have their interviews (including Schippers) transcribed in the Liberty Lobby newspaper The Spotlight which now has a new name even though the guests do not give interviews to the newspaper and may not hold the views of the newspaper editors. Schippers gave Valentine an interview several years ago about his book "Sellout" on the impeachment and trial of Clinton.

My agenda is to get the complete truth out about the OKC bombing and ME and domestic terror activities in the US. This includes reporting the misconduct of those in govenment that need to be held accountable for breaking the law, obstruction of justice and bad policies in order to replace them with people better suited to protect America and her citizens from terror attacks.

BlueDog should check out my disclosure.. Remember BlueDog has repeatedly said on FR that he has had ties to Naval Intelligence? I am sure the Navy can verify to BlueDog and others what I did and where I worked and my rank while in the Navy. Check it out. BlueDog should have already. I can assure you the FBI already has.

I can assure you I got and maintained security clearances at Naval Reactors (even years after I left)after being checked out thoroughly and frequently by the FBI and Naval Intelligence.

Who knows, if BLueDog does his job well this time, he even might make me well enough known to get me elected so I can make some badly needed reforms in the FBI and DOJ and State Department.

Now, how about a full disclosure from BLueDogDemo? He never has revealed the circumstances of his departure from the OKC PD even though he was asked to do so.

[Fred Mertz]

Thanks for chiming in and happy hunting.

[OKCSubmariner]

Please see reply #132. Thanks.

[OKCSubmariner]

Please see reply #132. Thanks.

[okkev68]

One thing I have learned in life is that there are always two sides two every story. I know that OkcSubmariner and Jayna Davis have their reasons for everything they have done, and they both probably feel justified in their actions.

But the basic point is that my mother did not have to die. My family did not have to wait 11 days for them to recover what was left of her body. My children did not have to be robbed of knowing their "grammy". All because our government screwed up.

I will personally host a meeting between Okcsub and Ms. Davis and whoever else has info in order to work things out and get all the info together. This has gone on long enough, and all the people responsible need to be brought to justice. And if we need to wipe out several ME countries, so be it.

I am just tired of our government agencies, and politicians, and media thinking that people (besides themselves) are insignificant. It was only 169 people. Only 3000 people died. When it becomes 3000 of their people, then they will care.

[glorygirl]

It is unfortunate this thread has degenerated to this point,where name-calling is the order of the day. Unfortunately, this entire subject tends to evoke very strong emotions, and I think it's important for everyone to concentrate on the objective at hand-- getting the truth out.

The truth is that both Jayna and Pat have made substantive efforts to that end.

People are free to question their motives, as we have done on this thread. But perhaps it might be more productive to recognize that different people have different motives, depending on their position in life and how they have been treated.

With that in mind, let me attempt to ask a few more questions.

"May, 2001-McVeigh’s defense team. McVeigh’s lawyers evidently do not want to pursue the information. "

vs.

(from the Writ of Mandamus in the McVeigh trial.)

"May 8, 1996 Letter to Joseph Hartzler in response to this Court's Order of April 29, 1996, recommending that defense counsel submit a direct request to government counsel to search for information which would most likely be classified and in the possession of the National Intelligence Agencies. This letter consists of 16 pages of single-spaced specific requests encompassing 53 separate paragraphs. Specifically mentioned is any and all "follow up" information generated by the governmentt to verify or corroborate th information provided by Vincent Cannistraro indicating that Iraq may have sponsored the bombing of the Murrah Building which was found by defense counsel buried in the mounds of "non-pertinent" documents. See D.E.1923 (Vol. III Exhibit "Q")."

Nancie, by your earlier post your appear to verify OKCSubmariner's allegation that Jayna did not give McVeigh's attorneys the information they clearly wanted at a time it might have done their client -- and potentially the country -- some good.

Nita, thank you for posting the O'Reilly interview. It clarifies a few things, including the fact that Jayna DID make an effort to publicize the information about a prior warning at OKC prior to 9/11, and prior to McVeigh's execution.

That effort, however, came only after the revelation of the missing FBI Files,and made no mention of the specific threat against Oklahoma City. It may well have been that O'Reilly prevented her from saying that, or told her before the interview not to include it. O'Reilly was very hot to see McVeigh put to death. She may have come to the decision that it was better to say something than to say nothing, since she now had the opportunity to do it.

The questions that remains unanswered is the one I raised, in a roundabout fashion, at the top of this thread.

If Jayna had this information, and the FBI didn't want it, why NOT go to McVeigh's attorneys? It is obvious THEY were interested in this, at least prior to his trial.

It is possible of course, that she did, and that OKCsubmariner is, for one reason or another, mistaken about this.

Perhaps Jayna wanted to testify, and was prevented from doing so by Judge Matsch.

But if she did not, why didn't she? After all, if she was truly concerned about getting the truth out to the widest audience possible, what better forum than the McVeigh trial?

Granted, she was pregnant, and might have had to go to jail for a month or two if she refused to reveal her sources.

Granted, she may well have been subjected to threats. We can only imagine the source and degree of those threats, given the type of treatment OKCSubmariner says he has endured.

But the fact remains that OKCsubmariner is right about the Bodansky memo. And the fact remains that the only person I've seen or heard describe the contents of the warning publicly,as they relate to OKC, prior to the interview discussed in this thread, about "Lily-whites" being recruited to conduct the OKC Bombing, is OKCSubmariner himself.

Not Jayna Davis, not David Schippers, not the AP, not the FBI,nobody in Congress, and certainly not Ashcroft, Bush, Clinton or Reno.Nobody was forthright about the "Lily whites" part of the message, which also concerned OKC. This information only came out publicly only ten days ago, thanks to Rita Cosby.

So anyone who wants to trash OKCsubmariner can do so. But as long as his statements ARE borne out AFTER he makes them, I will continue to believe him.

For another example, for anyone wondering about Pat's claims regarding the missing FBI files, see THIS THREAD.

One question I raised privately that I will now raise publicly-- Why IS Bodansky suddenly speaking out? Could it have something to do with those Congressional investigations?

As always, there is much more to this story than is being told publicly. It would certainly be interesting to hear Jayna's side of this, but I'm sure she has her reasons for keeping silent. Let's hope it has to do with the congressional investigations currently underway, and that their findings eventually become public. P.S. to Nancie -- If you can remember a word in the title of the thread you are searching for, along with the approximate date you can submit it to the search engine on the "Latest Post" page of FR, use "order by date", and it should come up. All those threads that seems to have vanished are still on the server, if you know where to look for them. This applies, of course, if the thread was NOT pulled, and only posted prior to the "realignment" of FR a few months ago.

[OKCSubmariner]

FACTS:

Davis told me repeatedly and numerous times over the years that she was working FOR a US government official over a period of several years from 1997 to 2000. She even interrupted our phone calls (okay with me) over the years to take calls from the government offical she told me she was working FOR not just with.

Bodansky told Davis by May 1996 not to publiclly reveal the details of the MArch 3, 1995 official prior warning notice he wrote because he said it was "too hot to handle."

I have always aggressively promoted the ME and domestic connections to the OKC bombing.

I am telling the absolute truth about this. Is Davis denying this to her friends? Have her friends asked Davis? No matter what Davis says, I stand by my story of what she told me many times over the years.

I and many others tried to persuade her many many times she was doing the wrong thing to withhold for over six years the details of the official prior warning from Bodansky .

[glorygirl]

Before I am too badly flamed, let me correct myself by saying this thread posted(and the interview aired) BEFORE the Rita Cosby interview, which of course indicates that Jayna came forward BEFORE her story, which also may explain Bodansky's actions.

I apologize for that. My other questions still stand, however.

[OKCSubmariner]

Please see replies #85, #118, #126, #132 and #138. Thanks