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That is one of many accusations.
There would be a whole group of Freepers that would criticize Jayna if she had appeared at the McVeigh trial and had helped him. In fact, I am rather surprised at that criticism.

She tried to get O’Reilly interested in it, but he cut her off before she could get all the information out. That was May of 2001. Jayna had wanted to bring out everything on the prior warning on that program. It was very much beyond her control. Our Governor Keating was on right before her and his segment went over and Jayna was not allowed to say what she went on there to talk about. She had every intention of bringing all of the warning information out. I have listened to the Quinn program again and Schippers just says it is now time to start speaking out. He is talking about speaking out in general. He does not say on the prior warning.

Here is a run down of some of the people Jayna tried to give the information on the prior warning to:

January of 1997 – Oklahoma County D.A.’s office
1997-Grand Jury (another lie of OKCSubmariner is that she did not tell the Grand Jury about the prior warning-not true- she was totally upfront with them but who knows what the FBI said or the D.A.’s office said to contradict her. One of the assistant D.A.’s did contact Bodansky)
1997-FBI office
1999-FBI office
May, 2001-McVeigh’s defense team. McVeigh’s lawyers evidently do not want to pursue the information.
2000 and 2001-Nichols defense team (both state and federal)
Congress (both houses)

OKCSubmariner would lead you to believe that he has pressed for the Middle Eastern connection all along and the prior warning. He was one of Jayna’s worst critics about what she had, along with Key and others. He wanted to focus on the domestic side. If someone has the long response I gave on April 18, 2002, to answer some of OKCSubmariner’s lies, feel free to repost it. I do not have it in a format that I could repost it. I would have to retype it. It explains why OKCSubmariner has turned against Jayna. It started when she would not return his phone calls in January of this year. (When she was at KFOR, the station had to ask OKCSubmariner to quit calling Jayna. He was a telephone stalker).

There seems to be many armchair quarterbacks on Free Republic. Jayna was trying to get people to listen but when there is a media blackout, it is hard. My previous reply would explain why certain individuals had lost their credibility and Jayna could not use them to get information out. If someone cannot find a way to repost it, I will try to retype it but it will be a while. I am beginning to see that it is a waste of time to deal with someone like OKCSubmariner who has a vendetta and will post lies. You can never win when someone is willing to say anything to make his point. In addition, I am very offended that OKCSubmariner would say that Jayna’s friends are being misled. I have talked almost daily on the telephone with Jayna. I have proofread most of her investigation. I have lived and breathed this investigation for seven years. I have witnessed her efforts to maintain her credibilty and trying to decide whom you can trust and who is out to destroy you. I have seen the financial sacrifice her family has made to get this information into the right hands. I could go on and on but I think you get the picture.

Reply #122 is greatly in error and the poster is sadly misinformed and mistaken.

More than half of my articles posted on the FreeRepublic going back over two years (and a year before Davis) ever spoke up on OReilly) deal with Bill Jaspers and my evidence showing the involvement of ME terrorists in the OKC bombing including even the present time.

I have always believed ME terrorists and domestic terrorists (in addition to McVeigh and Nichols) were invovlwed in the OKC bombing. And that is the view of William Jasper of the NEw AMerican (Who I helped write articles on the ME invovlment for the New American)and the former Pentagon terror advisor Jesse Clear who I have quoted on FR for over two years.

Back in 2000 I started writing articles and replies on FR that were crtical of the coverup by Senator Inhofe and COngressman Istook of their knowledege of the ME connection to the OKC bombing back in 2000. I did this because, as I wrote in the articles and replies, I knew from evidence and witness accounts there was a ME connection to the OKC bombing and a coverup by them and the FBI of the ME connection.

I even spoke to the best witness of AL Hussaini near the Murrah building, Kay Heron, when she interviewed with Willaim JAsper in 1995. I believed Heron then and I believe her today-I have always beleived her.

I even took Jasper to Samir Khalil's house (employer of AL Hussaini and Abraham Ahmad) back in 1996 to interview Kahlil. I have been continuoisly and personally supporting attorney Mike Johnston's efforts on the ME connection in OKC since 1995 including recently. Johnston has filed a lawsuit against Iraq on behalf of the OKC bombing victims. Johnston and Schippers both provide advice and information to Judicial Watch efforts on the OKC bombing.

Michael Rivero used to disagree with me on FR from time to time becasue I kept promoting the ME connection to OKC bombing when Mike was on FR back in 2000. Mike did not beleive the ME connection to OKC at the time despite my best efforts to persuade him. I think Mike made tremendous contributions to the OKC bombing story by collecting evidence of FBI coverup and the domestic John Doe involvemnt. Mike even offerred me all of his files . He really cared deeply about this story for the sake of the country.

I was able to find a response that I had given to Honway on April 18, 2002. I am reprinting a portion of it because it gives some background on what is going on. The entire thread was pulled so this response was pulled when the thread was pulled. I know there have been some questions raised about Pat's background and he has responded. I am not sure what his present occupation is because he had said recently that he is still unemployed. He had said that he has been unemployed since 1986.

Here is what I posted on April 18:
A while back, I said something to you about responding to Pat Briley’s comments on Free Republic about Jayna Davis. This thread seems to have fizzled out, but maybe the people that are interested will still see it. If you find my comments helpful, please flag anyone you know that would be interested. Some of the comments I am responding to are on other threads. I know you feel that people should not be attacking one another, but also Freepers should not be allowed to get away with posting such lies.

The derogatory postings did not begin until this year. Pat had never criticized Jayna or BlueDogDemo until January of this year. The problem began because Pat was mad at them for not returning his telephone calls. He felt cut out and started lashing out on the Internet. He also felt like he was not getting credit for contributions he had made to the investigation of the OKC Bombing. His January postings give his motives for the sudden turn-around. Jayna has not been in any situation to acknowledge everyone that has helped her, so it is a shame that he is directing his anger at her.

Pat is also angry because no one has investigated for him his Traveler’s Aid evidence and feels like a lot of repercussions will come from this failure. He is lashing out at many people for this failure. He sees a lack of cooperation (His characterization) between different investigators as an impediment to getting the complete truth out. This makes him extremely angry. He has a lot of harsh criticism towards Jayna because of this. He wants to draw Jayna away from all she is doing to answer these accusations. Besides the physical toll that all this has taken on her, she frankly needs to devote her energies elsewhere right now. Free Republic is an important forum, but it is obvious from the comments that the Freepers still have great respect for her. However, I thought I would give it a shot to try to respond to some of the accusations. I will not try to do all of them, but I hope my answers will give you a sense of how Jayna operates and why I have such profound respect for her investigative abilities.

Since September 11, there has been renewed interest in the Middle Eastern connection to the OKC Bombing. Jayna is fielding calls from interested parties, and this has led to several articles being written. Fox News has done an outstanding job of bringing the issues to the public. She has made two trips to D.C. to meet with key people so she has had to spend countless hours updating her investigation. The part that she has left with several important groups and individuals has around 2,000 pages. Keeping in touch with witnesses, sending out press packets, “making copies”, is a full-time job. It has been since 1995. There is a limit to how much one person should be expected to do. She also has a 4-year old to raise. She cannot investigate all the information that is given her. She is doing her very best.

Jayna’s investigation has focused mostly on the Middle Eastern connection. The first lead came from a call to the station from a lady who was concerned that the FBI did not seem to be investigating a lead she felt was very important. That led to the initial story that was aired on KFOR. That initial tip would lead Jayna to start asking questions and one thing would lead to another. That is usually the nature of a good investigation. KFOR did not ignore the domestic side. In fact, there were several stories done about domestic terrorism.

I have had the privilege of observing Jayna first-hand in her investigation and have the utmost respect for her abilities. Unlike the amateur investigators, she was trained at the University of Texas as an investigative reporter. That was always her specialty and KFOR hired her as an investigative reporter. Her 2,000-page investigation is incredible! She has an extremely high standard for information to find its way into that report. She does not put in everything that comes her way.

One of the things that we were aware of early on is that there would be agents of disinformation sent our way. You had to do a lot of questioning of information knowing that 90% of it could be the absolute truth, but were these people giving you 10% lies in order to discredit you. It was hard to know whom to trust. It was also obvious that there were people willing to lie about Jayna to trash her reputation. A call fielded by the late Jack Eden, a radio talk show host in Oklahoma City, woke us up to that reality.

Pat mentions J.D.Cash in an earlier posting and how Cash threatened Pat’s life. So it does surprise me that Pat would want Jayna to work with him. I will not go into the reasons why, but Cash came under suspicion right away as being an agent of disinformation. Pat says that Jayna tried to steer Pat away from domestic terrorism. Since Jayna definitely believes in the domestic terrorism angle of all this, she would not steer Pat away from it. She would try to steer him away from certain individuals, like J.D. Cash. Pat says that Cash expressed disdain for his talking to Jayna and the Middle Eastern connection. The Clinton administration had a definite agenda and did not want the M.E. connection to come out. If Cash was an agent of disinformation, it makes sense that he would trash Jayna. In fact, I have seen information on Free Republic about Cash that indicated that others were suspicious of him. I would also put Roger Charles in the camp of the Clinton administration.

Pat mentions Charles Key in his posting. Key is one of those amateur investigators that did not filter out things, which may have been given to him to discredit him. He had a lady on his staff named Kate McCauley, who absolutely fit the profile of an agent of disinformation. I received a call from a relative who had heard Key speak. Kate was with him. My relative has had extensive experience investigating disinformation agents. She had investigated one such agent that was used after Waco. She said that she visited with Kate after Key spoke and was disturbed by how she ended up coming to Oklahoma City to help Key. Something did not add up to her. I also visited with Kate, and realized that she was another one that was trying to steer the investigation away from M.E. involvement and focus only on domestic. I am not sure how much harm she did to Key’s investigation since I was not personally involved, but I do know that Key was a late-comer to making the M.E. connection an important focus. Another problem is that he did not filter out the inconsistencies in the witnesses that he presented to the grand jury. His desire was that the grand jury would figure out the truth. This may have caused him to lose credibility. I do not know how much Kate had to do with his decision. If she was an agent of disinformation, then her goal may have been to try to discredit his investigation. Give him 90% truth, but ruin him with the 10% of lies. I have seen people lose their credibility with Freepers when there was just one little inaccuracy. It does not surprise me that Jayna would find it hard to work with Key, and I am sure that Kate wanted it that way, too. Kate McCauley was asked by McVeigh to be one of his witnesses when he was executed. She had started corresponding with him while he was incarcerated. She also assisted Lou Michel and Dan Herbeck with their book on McVeigh that spouted the official government line.

Another problem in investigating the domestic side was the long list of government informants, Carol Howe, Millar, Mahon, Strassmier, to name a few. Pat has mentioned these and others. The M.E. connection was easy compared to the mess on the domestic side. Jayna does not have the resources to begin to whack through that mess. She is comfortable with the accuracy of what she has on the M.E. side. It is not as simple as Pat makes it seem. It is a shame that he is criticizing her for not doing this investigation the way he wanted it done. It is O.K. to have a difference of opinion but he is publicly criticizing Jayna in a most vicious manner. This is bewildering.

Jayna has fought to maintain her credibility. When you are lumped in with people that have lost their credibility, it can be hard to overcome. Nita Nupress has had some very wise comments and some instruction on how to get people to listen. Glory girl also had some suggestions. Keep It Simple Stupid (KISS). You cannot just dump all you know on people and you have to use wisdom. Jayna has tried to use wisdom in every decision she has made. Others are second-guessing her, but I think she has done an outstanding job. She has had to negotiate minefields.

Pat obviously has alienated many people, (by his own admission). He has now alienated Jayna by his accusations. This posting does not begin to address all the untruths that have been told by Pat. For a while, I did not choose to respond to the untruths, hoping that his hurt and anger would subside. I have tried to respond in a way where I gave some information on how this investigation has progressed and why certain decisions were made. I tried to keep the attacks on Pat to a minimum although I am extremely angry with him. (You should have read my first draft!)

Free Republic is an incredible forum but it can be misused. In this case, it has been. I am glad that there are people listening to Jayna.