9TH CIRCUIT COURT: PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL

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[Recovering_Democrat]

UNBELIEVABLE. BREAKING ON FOX: SF APPEALS COURT SAYS PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ENDORSES RELIGION, AND IS THEREBY UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

[mhking]

This child could be taught the same thing. Instead she is being taught that if she does not want to do something she not only does not have to do it but she can prevent every one else from doing it too by force.

Where I grew up, in Gary, IN, we had several folks who were Jehovah Witnesses (d'ya'ever notice that there aren't any windows on a JW Kingdom Hall?) in school with the rest of us. They said that they were not permitted by their religion to say the Pledge. They were allowed to sit and remain quiet.

This option was offered to Newdow and his child -- HE DECLINED!!! His entire motive was to eliminate this from American society!

[phasma proeliator]

I think it's pretty remarkable that tpaine is even around to post to this thread.

after being removed a time or two - you'd think he'd learn, but then I guess you just can't turn a jackass into anything but a jackass.

[phasma proeliator]

I think it's pretty remarkable that tpaine is even around to post to this thread.

after being removed a time or two - you'd think he'd learn, but then I guess you just can't turn a jackass into anything but a jackass.

[Mo1]

Does this look like it??

#1-800-648-3516

[CecilRhodesGhost]

There can be too much freedom, too much power to religious zealots just as there can be too little freedom. There is a common theory among many that after the fall of communism, a new way ( a third way ) to global stability could be achieved by merging public-private partnerships and by removing religious overtones from governmental leadership. This way all people are represented equally and a market is allowed to prosper, within a strict set of boundaries that prevent the type of abuse seen today with Mr. Ebbers. This ruling is but a small tip of the hat to the third way. PS Don't worry, Bush will take 04 easily -on this issue. The ruling won't stand, but it's simply a step in a certain direction.

[pubmom]

I'll be joining you in saying the pledge. This is an outrage.

[freedomcrusader]

Wisdom from the dissent:

But whatever it is called (I care not), it comes to this: such phrases as “In God We Trust,” or “under God” have no tendency to establish a religion in this country or to suppress anyone’s exercise, or non-exercise, of religion, except in the fevered eye of persons who most fervently would like to drive all tincture of religion out of the public life of our polity. Those expressions have not caused any real harm of that sort over the years since 1791, and are not likely to do so in the future.

Please try to convince me that voluntary recitation of the Pledge is religious "indoctrination".

[BADJOE]

Possies take the law in their own hands. : )

[Howlin]

Doesn't work.

[another cricket]

You never listened to all the verses of the National Anthem did you?

"And this be our motto
In God is our trust"

Try another argument. That one doesn't hold water.

a.cricket

[Texaggie79]

The entire point is that there is no pledge to God in the Pledge of Allegiance. Therefore, it cannot be construed as religious....

Are you, as an atheist really that ticked off to just say the name God?

[Viva Le Dissention]

Bill, as I said, I was brought up by the Jesuits. I believe in God and I can quote Aquinas and Ignatius, if that would make you feel better about my religious background.

That, however, does not extend to allowing Government (certainly NOT an extension of God) to force its will on young people.

I keep my religious beliefs behind my closed doors, as they should be. Your beliefs are your business and no one else's--and CERTAINLY not the government's.

[Dimensio]

No one forced your children to say the Pledge .. but now the 9th Circuit just took my children's 1st Amendment Rights away from them

Your children are no longer allowed to say the pledge? I don't see that apparent in the ruling.

[phasma proeliator]

"Thanks for your non-answer. -- Proves me point."

You don't have a point. never have had a point and never will have a point.

[rintense]

Whatever works for you. But don't you think this will mean that all other things such as money, federal buildings, the military, and the Constitution, are all ripe for the picking? All the liberals need is a crack, and they turn it into the Grand Canyon.

[Petronski]

god - 3. A person or thing deified and honored as the chief good; an object of supreme regard.

How generious of you to hear me out.

[PhiKapMom]

So we have an old judge appointed by Nixon; a judge by Reagan who got it right; and a Carter appointee. Nixon would never be considered a conservative or at least not IMO!

[Miss Marple]

Rintense, you must have missed Hemingway's Ghost's posting the story about this same guy SUING PRESIDENT BUSH FOR TALKING ABOUT GOD!!! It is the same guy. He already has done so, but it was thrown out of court.

[ScreamingFist]

"In closing, there have been and are currently millions of wonderful, patriotic and loyal Americans who are neither Jewish or Christian, and they deserve to be able to proclaim their belief in the American way of life without their religious faith (or lack thereof) beig a qualifier."

This has nothing to do with faith, it has everything to do with the elimination of patriotism, the Founding Fathers and any belief in the workings of America. If you're gonna hit a baseball, you have to start your swing BEFORE the strike comes over the plate. You just watched a fastball go by.

[Howlin]

There's NOT ONE........per John Edwards' office.