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9TH CIRCUIT COURT: PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL
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Posted on 06/26/2002 11:25:21 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat

UNBELIEVABLE. BREAKING ON FOX: SF APPEALS COURT SAYS PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ENDORSES RELIGION, AND IS THEREBY UNCONSTITUTIONAL.


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KEYWORDS: 9thcircuitcourt; michaeldobbs; pledgeofallegiance; unconstitutional
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To: another cricket
This child could be taught the same thing. Instead she is being taught that if she does not want to do something she not only does not have to do it but she can prevent every one else from doing it too by force.

Where I grew up, in Gary, IN, we had several folks who were Jehovah Witnesses (d'ya'ever notice that there aren't any windows on a JW Kingdom Hall?) in school with the rest of us. They said that they were not permitted by their religion to say the Pledge. They were allowed to sit and remain quiet.

This option was offered to Newdow and his child -- HE DECLINED!!! His entire motive was to eliminate this from American society!

721 posted on 06/26/2002 1:19:32 PM PDT by mhking
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To: AmishDude; tpaine
I think it's pretty remarkable that tpaine is even around to post to this thread.

after being removed a time or two - you'd think he'd learn, but then I guess you just can't turn a jackass into anything but a jackass.

722 posted on 06/26/2002 1:19:45 PM PDT by phasma proeliator
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To: AmishDude; tpaine
I think it's pretty remarkable that tpaine is even around to post to this thread.

after being removed a time or two - you'd think he'd learn, but then I guess you just can't turn a jackass into anything but a jackass.

723 posted on 06/26/2002 1:19:46 PM PDT by phasma proeliator
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To: Howlin
Does this look like it??

#1-800-648-3516

724 posted on 06/26/2002 1:19:58 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: watchin
There can be too much freedom, too much power to religious zealots just as there can be too little freedom. There is a common theory among many that after the fall of communism, a new way ( a third way ) to global stability could be achieved by merging public-private partnerships and by removing religious overtones from governmental leadership. This way all people are represented equally and a market is allowed to prosper, within a strict set of boundaries that prevent the type of abuse seen today with Mr. Ebbers. This ruling is but a small tip of the hat to the third way. PS Don't worry, Bush will take 04 easily -on this issue. The ruling won't stand, but it's simply a step in a certain direction.
725 posted on 06/26/2002 1:20:07 PM PDT by CecilRhodesGhost
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I'll be joining you in saying the pledge. This is an outrage.
726 posted on 06/26/2002 1:20:09 PM PDT by pubmom
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To: Constitution Day
Wisdom from the dissent:

But whatever it is called (I care not), it comes to this: such phrases as “In God We Trust,” or “under God” have no tendency to establish a religion in this country or to suppress anyone’s exercise, or non-exercise, of religion, except in the fevered eye of persons who most fervently would like to drive all tincture of religion out of the public life of our polity. Those expressions have not caused any real harm of that sort over the years since 1791, and are not likely to do so in the future.

Please try to convince me that voluntary recitation of the Pledge is religious "indoctrination".

727 posted on 06/26/2002 1:20:44 PM PDT by freedomcrusader
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To: SERE_DOC
Possies take the law in their own hands. : )
728 posted on 06/26/2002 1:20:56 PM PDT by BADJOE
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To: Mo1
Doesn't work.
729 posted on 06/26/2002 1:21:03 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: NeoCrusade
You never listened to all the verses of the National Anthem did you?

"And this be our motto
In God is our trust"

Try another argument. That one doesn't hold water.

a.cricket

730 posted on 06/26/2002 1:21:12 PM PDT by another cricket
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To: tpaine
The entire point is that there is no pledge to God in the Pledge of Allegiance. Therefore, it cannot be construed as religious....

Are you, as an atheist really that ticked off to just say the name God?
731 posted on 06/26/2002 1:21:14 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: billhilly
Bill, as I said, I was brought up by the Jesuits. I believe in God and I can quote Aquinas and Ignatius, if that would make you feel better about my religious background.

That, however, does not extend to allowing Government (certainly NOT an extension of God) to force its will on young people.

I keep my religious beliefs behind my closed doors, as they should be. Your beliefs are your business and no one else's--and CERTAINLY not the government's.
732 posted on 06/26/2002 1:21:28 PM PDT by Viva Le Dissention
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To: Mo1
No one forced your children to say the Pledge .. but now the 9th Circuit just took my children's 1st Amendment Rights away from them

Your children are no longer allowed to say the pledge? I don't see that apparent in the ruling.
733 posted on 06/26/2002 1:21:32 PM PDT by Dimensio
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To: tpaine
"Thanks for your non-answer. -- Proves me point."

You don't have a point. never have had a point and never will have a point.

734 posted on 06/26/2002 1:21:49 PM PDT by phasma proeliator
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To: gunshy
Whatever works for you. But don't you think this will mean that all other things such as money, federal buildings, the military, and the Constitution, are all ripe for the picking? All the liberals need is a crack, and they turn it into the Grand Canyon.
735 posted on 06/26/2002 1:22:06 PM PDT by rintense
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To: Dimensio
god - 3. A person or thing deified and honored as the chief good; an object of supreme regard.

How generious of you to hear me out.

736 posted on 06/26/2002 1:22:08 PM PDT by Petronski
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To: an amused spectator
So we have an old judge appointed by Nixon; a judge by Reagan who got it right; and a Carter appointee. Nixon would never be considered a conservative or at least not IMO!
737 posted on 06/26/2002 1:22:16 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: rintense
Rintense, you must have missed Hemingway's Ghost's posting the story about this same guy SUING PRESIDENT BUSH FOR TALKING ABOUT GOD!!! It is the same guy. He already has done so, but it was thrown out of court.
738 posted on 06/26/2002 1:22:51 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: NeoCrusade
"In closing, there have been and are currently millions of wonderful, patriotic and loyal Americans who are neither Jewish or Christian, and they deserve to be able to proclaim their belief in the American way of life without their religious faith (or lack thereof) beig a qualifier."

This has nothing to do with faith, it has everything to do with the elimination of patriotism, the Founding Fathers and any belief in the workings of America. If you're gonna hit a baseball, you have to start your swing BEFORE the strike comes over the plate. You just watched a fastball go by.

739 posted on 06/26/2002 1:23:00 PM PDT by ScreamingFist
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To: Mo1
There's NOT ONE........per John Edwards' office.
740 posted on 06/26/2002 1:23:04 PM PDT by Howlin
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