9TH CIRCUIT COURT: PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL

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[Recovering_Democrat]

UNBELIEVABLE. BREAKING ON FOX: SF APPEALS COURT SAYS PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ENDORSES RELIGION, AND IS THEREBY UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

[NeoCrusade]

How about just reporting the facts? Hmm...

[mafree]

Thanks for the flag.

This ruling is nothing short of ridiculous and I hope a higher court has the constitutional sense to overturn it fast.

[CecilRhodesGhost]

I was making a point. There is no mention of religion.

[Hemlock]

...nor am I against the US constitution as a living document...

The Constitution is not a "living" document. It's an amendable document. Communist and socialist judges who twist the words of the Constitution always refer to it as a "living" document, but what they really mean to do is ignore the supreme law of the land. The "establishment" clause only prevents the U.S. Congress from establishing a particular faith through legislation. It doesn't preclude states, municipalities and districts from invoking the name of God, nor does it prohibit the U.S. Congress from adding the phrase "under God" to a pledge, so long as the decision to invoke the pledge remains with the various bodies not prohibited from such action by the Constitution. The establishment of a pledge is a right guaranteed by the First Amendment, and not an unconstitutional establishment of religion.

[henbane]

These court decisions systematically taking God out of public life shakes and destroys the very foundation of our Constitution, our country and our freedoms.

So very true.

Some stalwart examples of the American government joining hands with God are holding the line today--but for how long?

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9th Circuit Court seal
with 10 Commandments on display

"In God We Trust" is our official national motto, first appearing on a two-cent coin in 1864. In 1955, through an act of Congress, this motto was approved for use on our paper money. It has appeared on all U.S. currency since that date."

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Madelyn Murray O'Hare is throwing a party in hell today.

[LarryLied]

Why is it that when state-sponsored displays and endorsements of Christianity are rightfully struck down as unconstitutional, Christians invariably scream that atheists are imposing their religious beliefs on them??? You can go to church every day and pray as much as you want!!! No atheist disputes that right!!!

You assume I am arguing this because of my faith. I am not. All I have said is the same reasoning the court used could ban Secular Humanism from schools. Which shows you aren't interested in the constitution, the history of religious freedom or liberty. You don't want God mentioned in school and you don't care how you get the name of God out.

In other words, you are hostile to religious expression and want to censor it.

I don't. Neither did our founders. Doesn't matter to me what religion is mentioned either.

Be careful. Your attitude toward freedom and the constitution has a way of coming back and biting.

[LibWhacker]

OMG, 1000 posts! There's nothing left to say. :-)

[NeoCrusade]

Sorry, sarcasm is notoriously difficult to detect online... however, my gut instinct is always that anything to do with the UN is crap. I wish G.W. would order AC-130 gunships to attack the UN building.

[usadave]

In the Merriam-Webster dictionary, one of the accepted definitions of god (uncapitalized) is: "a person or thing of supreme value", without making any type of a reference to religion in any way. So if the Pledge of Allegience was changed to say "under a god" instead of "under God", maybe it would have a better chance of passing muster with the SCOTUS.

Then when you say the legally accepted phrase "under a god", you could "inadvertently" forget to say the word "a" and it would come out "under God" and then we would be right back to where we were before the 9th Court made their absolutely outrageous ruling today.

[pby]

Prove that God does not exist.

Furthermore, the US is a christian nation as stated by the supreme court. Our liberty was given to us by our Creator.(read the declaration of independence) These are historical facts...not Bug-A-Boos.

Your kids can accurately learn why we live in the land of the free or they can be ignorant like you.

[christine]

outraged bump!

[rohry]

"You're perception is clouded by your emotions.DO go back ad re-read his posts; you'll see that he endorses American values.I know it's hard to believe, but American does not = Christian."

First off, I have read almost of all of CecilRhodesGhost's posts since he arrived here a couple of weeks ago. He is a New World Order sycophant and supports world government, the WTO and a monopoly central bank (and eventually a true World Bank to control everyone's money and economic interactions). You are the one that needs to research his posts better.

This whole thread is not about whether America is Christian. It is about whether God (of whatever religion) gave us unalienable rights or whether it is given to us by "the human collective" (government). This country was founded on the principles of Natural Law that a God gave humans certain rights that cannot be taken away from us by government.
Lastly, you don't even know if I am a Christian so don't tell me that my "perception is clouded by my emotions." I'm not the one who has spent half the afternoon on this thread arguing for atheist rights.

[Kaslin]

I have an idea. How about all God believing people filing a lawsuit against atheists for taking our rights away

[Helix]

I have no intention of imposing anything on you, nor do I care one whit about your kids. However, I will not allow you to silence me or my child in any public venue or forum. What about that don't you understand.

I don't have to keep anything away from you. I will shout my beliefs from any podium, using any venue I please. There is not one thing you can do to stop it. Feel free to do the same.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

First off, I have read almost of all of CecilRhodesGhost's posts since he arrived here a couple of weeks ago. He is a New World Order sycophant and supports world government, the WTO and a monopoly central bank (and eventually a true World Bank to control everyone's money and economic interactions).

He also supports no borders for the US and a cashless society. Aren't those wonderful conservative ideas?

[Saundra Duffy]

A sad day for America. Again, I apologize for California. I think I'm gonna have to leave this state eventually. How much more can we take?

[watchin]

... appeal to tradition is typically done when arguing methodolgy; you argue that a method should not change because it has "always been done that way".

My argument is that it should not be done, because it always fails.

Appeal to the consequences is citing what might be considered the undesirable "consequences" of a proposition being true or false -- ie, there being no gods means that there are no unalienable rights -- and using that as "evidence" for the truth value of the proposition.

I'm not sure, but I think you're accusing me of "proving" the existence of God by arguing what life would be like without Him. I've done no such thing. The argument was not really about the existence of God, but the behavior of states that reject the notion of God-given rights and assume the role of rights-giver.

I do believe that there is no foundation for human rights or morality of any kind outside of the existence of God. But that doesn't prove God exists. It simply points out the inconsistency of atheists who wail that they're just as moral as theists.