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Bush In Secret Iraq Attack Meeting-U.S. Airlifts Moblie Military Hospitals to Kuwait, Qatar, Oman
FOX News Sunday and Newsmax.com ^ | June 23, 2002 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 06/23/2002 3:52:54 PM PDT by codebreaker

President Bush had a previously undisclosed meeting last week with General Tommy Franks, commander of United States forces in Afghanistan, to dicuss what was described on Sunday as 'concrete' military plans to attack Iraq.

'One of the meetings that wasn't reported this week was a briefing by General Franks in the Oval Office of the President on Wednesday revealed 'Fox News Sunday' panelist Bill Kristol, citing an unnamed administration source.

Kristol said that the Bush-Franks meeting indicates that the administration had decided to take action against Iraq regardless of the status of Middle East peace talks adding, 'Bush may be moving faster than we think in preparing to get rid of Saddam.'


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: foxnews; iraq; kristol; leaks; tonysnow
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To: section9; Miss Marple; Poohbah
I think I have a rough idea how it will be spun, but then again, my personal feelings may color this:
ABOUT FREAKING TIME!!!

I'd feel better about it if we had the Iowa or one of her three sisters in the region to keep Iran honest while we are about our business in Iraq. They could close the Strait of Hormuz awfully quick.

81 posted on 06/23/2002 7:56:54 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: Kryptonite
Is that a buy recommendation? (LOL)
82 posted on 06/23/2002 7:59:02 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: codebreaker
"Kristol said that the Bush-Franks meeting indicates that the administration had decided to take action against Iraq regardless of the status of Middle East peace talks adding, 'Bush may be moving faster than we think in preparing to get rid of Saddam.'"

BULL FEATHERS! This is nonsense,,,,,,,,,

83 posted on 06/23/2002 8:06:40 PM PDT by PoppingSmoke
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To: PoppingSmoke
Depends what his definition of 'fast' is..2-4 months?
84 posted on 06/23/2002 8:09:27 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: Miss Marple
Ping for Kristol alert.
85 posted on 06/23/2002 8:10:00 PM PDT by Carolinamom
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To: codebreaker
"Depends what his definition of 'fast' is..2-4 months?"

It depends. Small SOF/SOC Force, say 30,000? 3 to 6 Months. The Franks request? 250,000 troops? The middle of never. We are not even close to the SOF/SOC option at this time. It's all logistics and thats not even close. Additonally the biggest problem is still Turkey. They have not bought in fully yet. The Saudi's? for get it.

86 posted on 06/23/2002 8:19:50 PM PDT by PoppingSmoke
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To: Colombia59; rdb3
"VIETNAM II"

Not hardly. Bush, like Nixon, has opposition from the Dims.
Nixon used that as a cope out and quit a war we were winning.
Nixon also ignored the silent majority backing the war effort.
Bush won't let liberal opposition get in the way of winning.
87 posted on 06/23/2002 8:24:14 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: codebreaker
Now, come on, this isn't such a "secret meeting" then, is it? :-]

88 posted on 06/23/2002 8:33:02 PM PDT by wayne_shrugged
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To: codebreaker
the administration had decided to take action against Iraq regardless of the status of Middle East peace talks

It appears that the administration is [now] taking things in their proper order:

"Peace" or its semblance in the middle east will not assist in dealing the menace posed by Saddam and his WMD.

However, destroying Saddam, his regime and his military, will have a significant positive impact on the situation in Israel/Palestinian-held territories.

89 posted on 06/23/2002 9:01:04 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Dark Wing; Phil V.
ping
90 posted on 06/23/2002 9:18:36 PM PDT by Thud
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To: arm958
The Mujahadeen were a diverse bunch, not all fundamentalists. In the mid 1980s Usama Bin Laden left Saudi Arabia to fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan in 1979. He sponsored and led a number of Arabs fighting in Afghanistan against the Soviets in the 1980s. In the mid-1980s he, along with Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood leader Abdallah Azzam co-founded the Maktab al-Khidamat (MAK) or "Services Office," to help funnel fighters and money to the Afghan resistance in Peshawar. The MAK ultimately established recruitment centers around the world - including in the U.S., Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan - that enlisted, sheltered, and transported thousands of individuals from over 50 countries to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets. MAK also organized and funded paramilitary training camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Bin Laden, while part of MAK, imported heavy equipment to cut roads and tunnels and to build hospitals and storage depots in Afghanistan. As many as 10,000 Arabs received training and combat experience in Afghanistan. Of these, nearly half were Saudis, with others including more than 3000 Algerians, 2000 Egyptians, and hundreds of others from Yemen, Sudan, Pakistan, Syria and other Muslim states. By Feb 15, 1989, the USSR withdrawal from Afghanistan was complete. Dissent arose among the Mujahadeen. Bin Laden split from Azzam and MAK to form a separate extend his campaign to all corners of the globe while Azzam remained focused only on support to Muslims waging military campaigns. The two no longer had much use for each other.

Bin Laden and others founded their own separate group in 1989 known as "Al Qaida" (the Base) based in Afghanistan and Peshawar, Pakistan and turned to terrorism. It wouldn't be long before al Qaeda transformed itself into an international terrorist network and began carrying out attacks on U.S. interests around the world. From the beginning bin Laden was Al Qaeda's emir, or prince, and he gave the orders. "Those who were suspected of collaborating against Al Qaeda were identified and killed," the indictment states.

Meanwhile, the leader of the less wacko group, Azzam, was conveniently killed by a car bomb in late 1989, and the MAK split yet again. The most extreme faction from that also joined Bin Laden's organization.

By 1989's end, bin Laden would return to Saudi Arabia to work in his family's Jeddah-based construction business after the Soviets withdrew, but he continued his organization to support opposition movements in Saudi Arabia and Yemen. After Afghanistan, Bin-Laden ran the Jihad Committee which includes the Egyptian Islamic Group and the Jihad Organization in Yemen, the Pakistani al-Hadith group, the Lebanese Partisans League, the Libyan Islamic Group, Bayt al-Imam Group in Jordan, and the Islamic Group in Algeria. This committee runs the Islamic Information Observatory center in London, which organizes media activity for these organizations, and the Advisory and Reformation Body which also has a bureau in London.

In the summer of 1990, Iraq invaded neighboring Kuwait and threatened Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden, though heavily involved in the Saudi opposition, 'reportedly' offered his services to the Saudi government to help defend against an Iraqi invasion of the kingdom, he was rebuffed. If such an offer was ever made, it would have been very unwise for the Royal family to accept it as bin Laden might have become too popular and gained more of a following, which he could later use to topple the Saudi government- something which, by the way, he has wanted to do as part of the opposition since before the Gulf War- in spite of popular assertions that he was merely angry with the US presence on 'holy ground.'

When American military forces remained in Saudi Arabia, at the request of the Saudi government when the Gulf War ended in early 1991, Osama bin Laden became increasingly critical of the Saudi royal family, which he denounced for corruption. Osama was expelled from Saudi Arabia, and his family publicly disowned him. Bin Laden went into exile in Sudan as a guest of the radical Islamist leader Hassan al-Turabi, with whom bin Laden had met frequently regarding the Afghan jihad. Bin Laden established a headquarters for al Qaeda in Khartoum, Sudan, spending the next five years there. In 1994 Osama bin Laden was stripped of his Saudi citizenship after Algeria, Saudi Arabia and Yemen accused him of supporting subversive groups.

91 posted on 06/23/2002 9:20:54 PM PDT by piasa
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
BOY, you got that right!!
92 posted on 06/23/2002 9:24:31 PM PDT by tbird1
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To: ClancyJ
What part of secret does he not understand?

Oh please. Get a clue. This story is out because the administration wants it out.

93 posted on 06/23/2002 9:28:59 PM PDT by Sandy
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To: codebreaker
Let the Turks go house to house in Baghdad, because that is where this is headed eventually

Don't buy it. Once we get as far as Baghdad, ain't NO Iraqi going to die for Saddam. It'll be chocolate bars rather than bullets.

94 posted on 06/23/2002 9:31:03 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: codebreaker
What I want to know is: Who is leaking to Kristol?? Whoever it is - they need to be fired!!
95 posted on 06/23/2002 9:34:18 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: CyberAnt
Matalin?
96 posted on 06/23/2002 9:35:35 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: AngrySpud
Desert Storm used in excess of 200,000 coalition troops, and thousands of mechanized forces, tanks, and artillery units.

I highly doubt that should an assault on Iraq come soon, it will resemble anything like Desert Storm. At this time we have nowhere near the firepower or assets in place to conduct a campaign on that scale.

97 posted on 06/23/2002 9:38:53 PM PDT by fogarty
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To: section9
When you start hearing that Saddam has started shooting generals again, then you'll understand why this story went right to Bill Kristol.

Your theory, that this story is a plant to encourage indigenous plots against Saddam is plausible. Other (not necessarily contradictory possibilities):

1) We plan to move on Iraq at some later, but not too distant date, and want to exhaust his forces by triggering their premature deployment

2) In conjuction with the preceeding, we want to observe the deployment strategy to further hone our own plans and identify bombing targets.

98 posted on 06/23/2002 9:41:04 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Thinkin' Gal
To intifada and beyond!
99 posted on 06/23/2002 9:42:00 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch
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To: Sandy; ClancyJ
"This story is out because the administration wants it out"

Yeah, just like the story on the secret NSA meetings earlier this week.
This is just another example of the security leaks the President is looking to stop.
100 posted on 06/23/2002 9:43:31 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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