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According to Joe Hadenuf: Official Free Republic Position Parallels GOP On Immigration. No Big Deal
6/23/02 | Joe Hadenuf

Posted on 06/23/2002 12:52:24 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf

Last night during a conversation/debate between myself and the leader/owner of the Free Republic, Jim Robinson, a rather stunning revelation was brought forth. I asked Mr. Robinson, which Republicans were vocally backing, and supporting Tancredo in his fight for our sovereignty? After some delay, Jim answered, “I have no idea. Immigration is not a big concern of mine.”

This is from the man that runs the most well known, and respected, political conservative internet forum in the United States? And Mr. Robinson resides in California?

Below is the exchange

Conservatives, Cut Bush Slack The Chicago Sun-Times | June 22, 2002 | Thomas Roeser

To: Jim Robinson

#939: Oh, so the Republicans are fighting for our sovereignty? Besides Tancredo, which Republicans are these Jim? If you could be specific.

#1034: Which ones are not ?

#1056: You never answered my question Jim.

Since you failed to answer my question, I will go first.

Given thirty years of this open border, immigration "free for all" that has resulted in many millions entering our nation illegally, I believe there are very few Republicans, or anyone else in DC, besides Tancredo, that are visibly and vocally fighting for our national sovereignty.

Now would you care to tell me which Republicans are standing with Tancredo and voicing outrage against this titanic, never ending invasion of illegal aliens?

1056 posted on 6/22/02 11:09 PM Pacific by Joe Hadenuf [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1034 | View Replies | Report Abuse

To: Joe Hadenuf

I have no idea. Immigration is not a big concern of mine.

1109 posted on 6/22/02 11:43 PM Pacific by Jim Robinson [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1056 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

At first I as was stunned, angry, and felt let down. Then after some thought I wasn’t too surprised.

Looking back at all the hundreds of immigration threads where many were deleted, disappeared and sent to the cornfield, I guess I am not too surprised. However, given the gravity and danger this country faces regarding this out of control, titanic immigration issue, I am still outraged, disheartened and saddened by Mr. Robinson’s response. Thread after thread Freepers have displayed genuine outrage and honest concern regarding this issue. And the outrage and insanity regarding this issue goes far beyond the Free Republic.

It’s escalated to the point now where many of our major cities in this country, such as Chicago, have now approved the use of identification cards, issued by Mexican consulates that will give illegal aliens access to financial and public services and more, as our so-called leaders stand treasonously silent, as our sovereignty is slowly dismantled.

This massive invasion of millions of illegal aliens has changed the face of many of our once great cities, from California to Illinois, to Georgia, to Tennessee, to Texas etc etc.

They are crowding our already over crowded classrooms, voting in our elections, choking off our social services, driving down the wages, while driving up our taxes, filling our jails, standing room only in many big city emergency rooms, etc, etc, etc. I personally know of six American citizens that have become victims of illegal alien crime, from having family members slaughtered on our highways by drunk driving illegal aliens, to stabbings, robberies and common burglaries.

And just recently, another young Deputy Sheriff was shot through the face and killed in California by an illegal alien, that has again fled back to the safety of Mexico. It has now been learned that this individual has already been deported three times, each time he has returned and committed more crimes in our country, leaving American victims in his wake, and each time he fled back to the safety of Mexico.

There are many forms of terrorism, and this continued invasion of millions upon millions is one form. And it's my opinion that it’s one of the most dangerous, most threatening issues facing America today. Even today as we speak, our federal government continues to allow in almost 8000 Middle Eastern men a month on visas. It is my opinion that this legal and illegal “immigration free for all” must be, stopped, extremely limited, and reformed immediately!

Again, I am extremely saddened and distressed by Mr. Robinson's response and lack of concern regarding this issue.


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To: Twodees; Joe Hadenuf
If you're talking about VA Advogado, Saber pinged me to a post of his where he asked the moderator to look at Advogado's past history of race-baiting and weigh his latest thread in that light.

The logic went something like if their banning Freepers for postings from so-called racist sites, then it should be same for Freepers posting from fringe, lunatic, race-baiting sites.

I guess the logic of that argument was accepted, if that's who you're talking about.
601 posted on 07/01/2002 7:59:10 PM PDT by 4Freedom
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To: 4Freedom
I don't think so, as VA I believe posted from the SPLC, (Southen Poverty law center). The thread went to almost 150 or so post before it was deleted. I asked the AM what the deal was, and I was never responded to.
602 posted on 07/01/2002 9:21:22 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: 4Freedom
No, the issue (and I raised it early in the thread by pinging JR) was that the latest bundle of banning offenses included posting from marxist propaganda sources and passing them off as the truth. Morris Dees is a communist and the SPLC's site is a marxist propaganda source. That's indisputable, IMO.

JR had the Admin Mod watch when I pinged him, apparently, and responded under the AM ID. My point was that conservatives are being banned for anything or for nothing while the liberal republicans like VA do as they please.

The thread may have been pulled because several other members began to ask embarrassing questions. This issue isn't going to go away, even if everyone currently speaking out about it are banned.
603 posted on 07/02/2002 5:23:15 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: Joe Hadenuf
I'm with you Joe. How dare Jim not share your priorities? Damnit, doesn't he get the memos on most important issues of supreme priority and utmost importance anymore?

Furthermore, moles and sleepers have sent me secret messages to the effect that Jim has let his subscriptions to Grassy Knoll Weekly, Invasion Monthly, Border Magazine, and Little Brown Man Watch, lapse. As if that weren't enough, there are photos from a black helicopter clearly showing Jim's license plate in a Taco Bell parking lot. Surely he's passing information on to that Mexican dog.

We'd better keep an eye on him. I don't think he's one of us.

604 posted on 07/03/2002 11:41:32 AM PDT by Melas
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To: Melas
Your sophomoric, juvenile response to this thread is revealing.

Your profile indicates your in Texas, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and perhaps you are not aware of what's happening in your own state.

Here, allow me to display some posts from some of your Texas neighbors regarding this issue. If you care to see more, let me know.

Why no! Nothing like that could happen to the great "Republic of Texas". We've got the Alamo. Why, our motto is "Don't Mess With Texas". We print it on T-shirts and refridgerator magnets and everything. We are the biggest braggarts and chest beaters in the nation. You don't know what you are talking about. Illegal Mexicans aren't taken over Texas. Texas is conquering Mexico. yeah, that's it. That's the ticket. we will just keep telling ourselves that. That way we won't have our overblown pride hurt. Yeah! Thats it.

570 posted on 3/13/02 9:38 PM Pacific by southern rock [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 564 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

So the millions of illegals in the state of Texas don't bother you huh?

Hey Joe, here is one Texan that is bothered by the millions of illegals in Texas. We're flooded up to our necks in illegals in this part of Texas, and I've hadenuf! Deport them all now, and throw in the illegal alien luvin' Texans as well if they love them so very much.

70 posted on 3/21/02 11:43 PM Pacific by Eddie Haskell [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

I live in Houston - I SEE that the Mexicans have no intention of adopting American culture. They live, work and breed Mexico.

(no, not all of them - but a majority)

88 posted on 5/31/02 8:11 AM Pacific by Flyer

"Some 1,800 colonias, or shantytowns that developed without services like water or sewers, have emerged along the Texas-Mexico border."

These colonias are mostly populated by illegal aliens that shouldn't even be here in the first place! Hell, you can drive around the city limits of Austin, Texas and find Messcuns living just like they did in Messco. A trashed out trailer home surrounded by a mini junk yard: Old rusted out cars, old refrigerators, old stoves, and misc. piles of garbage. We could dump all of the money in the State Treasury into fixing up the colonias, and they'd have 'em trashed out again within a year! This is something that is ingrained in the culture, and throwing money at the problem won't change a thing.

16 posted on 6/7/02 9:19 AM Pacific by Destructor

Texas shantytown poorest in nation

AP | June 7, 2002 | Lynn Brezosky

Posted on 6/7/02 12:54 AM Pacific by sarcasm

CAMERON PARK, Texas - In many ways, things are better than they were just a few years ago in Cameron Park, a cluster of shacks stretching for miles near the Mexican border.

Gunfire no longer erupts at sunset. Families are more likely to stay put when fathers leave for months to pick crops in Michigan or North Dakota. The new pavement means children can walk to the bus on rainy days without having to wrap garbage bags around their shoes. Televisions are powered by electric lines rather than car batteries. There are stoves and refrigerators - some of them even indoors.

Yet national census figures show there is still a long way to go.

Among places with 1,000 households or more, Cameron Park is the poorest spot in America.

It ranks dead last in median per-capita income, at 4,103 dollars a year. About 6,000 people live in the unincorporated community near Brownsville. Many of them are migrant workers and factory hands, and many of them are from Mexico.

"Extreme Third World conditions," said Cameron County Judge Gilberto Hinojosa. "You can pave the streets and put lights and police patrols and parks, but you still have to deal with the fact that many remain poor, and because so many are undocumented, it's difficult to provide them with programs."

Their poverty has been worsened by economic trends that hit the least-skilled hard. The textile industry that employed many with working papers has disintegrated - the Levi's, Haggar and Horace Small factories have all announced closings. Drought has meant fewer agricultural jobs in the region.

In Cameron Park, only 19.3 percent of people age 25 or older have a high school diploma or better. The state average is 72.1 percent.

Some 1,800 colonias, or shantytowns that developed without services like water or sewers, have emerged along the Texas-Mexico border.

They started in the late 1960s and early 1970s with landowners offering mostly poor Mexican immigrants land on easy terms.

Cameron Park was one of the first. In 1968, a plot went for 300 dollars, paid at a rate of 7 dollars a month. By 1977, it was 1,200 dollars, at 20 dollars a month. The plots lacked water, sewers and drainage, but it was a chance to own land. Preliminary dwellings sprang up in a weekend.

In recent years, the plight of the colonias has drawn the attention of county, state and federal officials, who have made campaign stops and passed laws to fix substandard conditions. A constitutional amendment passed in November authorized up to 175 million dollars in state bonds to build or improve roads and drainage. And the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development has offered low-cost financing to build homes.

"I saw firsthand when there's three inches of rain and children don't go anywhere and the water stagnates, bringing mosquitoes and opportunities for disease," Gov. Rick Perry said in supporting the measure.

When social worker Alma Rendon first visited in the early 1990s, the colonia was full of outhouses, and pots and pans collecting rainwater for washing. Now most of the homes have indoor plumbing.

Also since the early 1990s, a program through Texas A&M University has enlisted people in the community to tell neighbors about such services as counseling or vision care. At a community center, families are matched with food stamps and other public assistance programs. There are English classes, and a new computer center is under construction.

It has been against the law since 1995 to sell unimproved land for housing. But the colonias keep on growing, and those who sell their land have profited, with plots now going for as much as 18,000 dollars.

Houses have developed over time into a hodgepodge of styles, some pastel Mexican stucco, others pale brick. Most are in some stage of construction, with half a roof, windows without panes, an uncompleted second floor.

Teresa Serna has been working for 19 years on her dream house - a five-bedroom rose stucco with balconies and elaborate door moldings. It is yards away from the wooden trailer where she lived 30 years ago as a 15-year-old newlywed from Brownsville's sister city of Matamoros, Mexico.

But for every home like Serna's are three or four rusted 20-by-6-foot campers with large families crowded inside.

Several times developers have come to the community, offering to buy the land, raze it all and build new homes. They got laughed away.

"It's part of the mindset they brought with them from Mexico," Rendon said. "A person doesn't have anything unless you have property and your own home

Oh, and I think Jim is a big boy and can speak for himself, without your help.

Thanks.

605 posted on 07/03/2002 1:28:56 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Today's issues and headlines and politics call for this to be bumped to the top!
606 posted on 03/11/2003 10:43:24 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Even more so today, as half a million more continue to illegally march into our country every year. The lawlessness and the effects on our country are epic.

As our leaders stand in silence.

607 posted on 05/20/2003 2:23:45 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf; NewRomeTacitus

I think I'll bump this due to recent events.


608 posted on 07/28/2004 5:46:28 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Let them eat amnesty)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Well....I'm bumping it again due to recent events and because it was asked for.

Salute!


609 posted on 03/29/2006 9:12:50 PM PST by wardaddy (you get older and you realize "tired" and "sleepy" are way different)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Joe was banned long ago.


610 posted on 03/29/2006 9:17:35 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: wardaddy
(Timely) BTTT !!

Here it is March of 2006, and absolutely nothing has been done to secure our borders, the illegals are still streaming over by the millions, and now they're marching for their RIGHTS!!

G.W. Bush has been a miserable failure. He has allowed America to be invaded without firing a shot. History will not be kind to him.

611 posted on 03/29/2006 9:21:06 PM PST by janetgreen (The White House fiddles while America is invaded)
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To: Jim Robinson

That says it all.


612 posted on 03/29/2006 9:22:54 PM PST by trubluolyguy (I got an idea, and idea so devious my head would explode if I even began to know what it was.)
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To: janetgreen

He has been a real failure on immigration no doubt.

he doesn't care to be honest.....he thinks he can make them all GOP with some magic wand even though the stats say otherwise

as does all that marching posturing
'
W and a handful of FReepers, most dems and a few GOP are way out of touch on this

the Dems are burning their Unions too oddly...they will regret that

just goes to show that most politicians period are vote putas


613 posted on 03/29/2006 9:24:51 PM PST by wardaddy (you get older and you realize "tired" and "sleepy" are way different)
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To: wardaddy

Ha! An oldie but a goodie.


614 posted on 03/29/2006 9:26:43 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: janetgreen
Furthermore, moles and sleepers have sent me secret messages to the effect that Jim has let his subscriptions to Grassy Knoll Weekly, Invasion Monthly, Border Magazine, and Little Brown Man Watch, lapse. As if that weren't enough, there are photos from a black helicopter clearly showing Jim's license plate in a Taco Bell parking lot. Surely he's passing information on to that Mexican dog.

janet, Little Brown Man Watch is offering three years for the price of two, and will kick in a pair of ankle-high waders for crossing the Rio Grande, if you pay up front.

615 posted on 03/29/2006 9:28:17 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Bowana

Many of the islamofascists that orchestrated 9/11 came into the USA from Canada. Border protection is a definite concern. Personally, however, I don't see illegal immigration as much of a problem as liberalism. Dems like Charles Schumer are more of a threat to our country.


616 posted on 03/29/2006 9:28:22 PM PST by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: Lancey Howard

Joe was a good freeper.....diligent and RIGHT!

He warned folks it would come to this.

He should be reinstated.

Now we have illegals marching demanding we give them their homeland they claim we stole back to them.

Rubbish


617 posted on 03/29/2006 9:30:26 PM PST by wardaddy (you get older and you realize "tired" and "sleepy" are way different)
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To: janetgreen
G.W. Bush has been a miserable failure. He has allowed America to be invaded without firing a shot. History will not be kind to him.

Yeah. All those 12 million came across just since Bush's inauguration in 2001.

When no bill is passed, and the American public goes back to Desperate Housewives, you charlie one-noters will still be here, wondering where your issue went.

618 posted on 03/29/2006 9:34:25 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: wardaddy

I agree with you - - Joe was a good freeper. I had several "chats" here with Joe over the years. Nobody loves or defends California more than Joe. But I don't believe Jim bans posters frivolously - - Joe must have screwed up somehow or violated the basic rules here.


619 posted on 03/29/2006 9:48:23 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: janetgreen
George W Bush has been replacing liberal activist judges with constitutionally minded judges as often as he gets an opening and confirmation by the Senate, including two superb choices for the Supreme Court. I believe in the long run, these judges will do more for the cause of constitutional restoration than any other presidential policy ever could. Hopefully, these judges will be defending the constitution and overturning bad precedent for decades to come. Thank God (and the grassroots) neither Al Gore nor John Kerry are appointing our judges today. Hopefully, Her Majesty Hillary Clinton will not be tomorrow.

"Securing the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity."

620 posted on 03/29/2006 9:52:17 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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