According to Joe Hadenuf: Official Free Republic Position Parallels GOP On Immigration. No Big Deal

6/23/02 | Joe Hadenuf

[Joe Hadenuf]

Last night during a conversation/debate between myself and the leader/owner of the Free Republic, Jim Robinson, a rather stunning revelation was brought forth. I asked Mr. Robinson, which Republicans were vocally backing, and supporting Tancredo in his fight for our sovereignty? After some delay, Jim answered, “I have no idea. Immigration is not a big concern of mine.”

This is from the man that runs the most well known, and respected, political conservative internet forum in the United States? And Mr. Robinson resides in California?

Below is the exchange

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To: Jim Robinson

#939: Oh, so the Republicans are fighting for our sovereignty? Besides Tancredo, which Republicans are these Jim? If you could be specific.

#1034: Which ones are not ?

#1056: You never answered my question Jim.

Since you failed to answer my question, I will go first.

Given thirty years of this open border, immigration "free for all" that has resulted in many millions entering our nation illegally, I believe there are very few Republicans, or anyone else in DC, besides Tancredo, that are visibly and vocally fighting for our national sovereignty.

Now would you care to tell me which Republicans are standing with Tancredo and voicing outrage against this titanic, never ending invasion of illegal aliens?

1056 posted on 6/22/02 11:09 PM Pacific by Joe Hadenuf [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1034 | View Replies | Report Abuse

To: Joe Hadenuf

I have no idea. Immigration is not a big concern of mine.

1109 posted on 6/22/02 11:43 PM Pacific by Jim Robinson [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1056 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

At first I as was stunned, angry, and felt let down. Then after some thought I wasn’t too surprised.

Looking back at all the hundreds of immigration threads where many were deleted, disappeared and sent to the cornfield, I guess I am not too surprised. However, given the gravity and danger this country faces regarding this out of control, titanic immigration issue, I am still outraged, disheartened and saddened by Mr. Robinson’s response. Thread after thread Freepers have displayed genuine outrage and honest concern regarding this issue. And the outrage and insanity regarding this issue goes far beyond the Free Republic.

It’s escalated to the point now where many of our major cities in this country, such as Chicago, have now approved the use of identification cards, issued by Mexican consulates that will give illegal aliens access to financial and public services and more, as our so-called leaders stand treasonously silent, as our sovereignty is slowly dismantled.

This massive invasion of millions of illegal aliens has changed the face of many of our once great cities, from California to Illinois, to Georgia, to Tennessee, to Texas etc etc.

They are crowding our already over crowded classrooms, voting in our elections, choking off our social services, driving down the wages, while driving up our taxes, filling our jails, standing room only in many big city emergency rooms, etc, etc, etc. I personally know of six American citizens that have become victims of illegal alien crime, from having family members slaughtered on our highways by drunk driving illegal aliens, to stabbings, robberies and common burglaries.

And just recently, another young Deputy Sheriff was shot through the face and killed in California by an illegal alien, that has again fled back to the safety of Mexico. It has now been learned that this individual has already been deported three times, each time he has returned and committed more crimes in our country, leaving American victims in his wake, and each time he fled back to the safety of Mexico.

There are many forms of terrorism, and this continued invasion of millions upon millions is one form. And it's my opinion that it’s one of the most dangerous, most threatening issues facing America today. Even today as we speak, our federal government continues to allow in almost 8000 Middle Eastern men a month on visas. It is my opinion that this legal and illegal “immigration free for all” must be, stopped, extremely limited, and reformed immediately!

Again, I am extremely saddened and distressed by Mr. Robinson's response and lack of concern regarding this issue.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Bump...And I hope this thread remains civilized and is not deleted.

[Jim Robinson]

It's my personal opinion. Free Republic does not have an official opinion. The FReepers speak for themselves.

[Bowana]

Wonder how he feels about illegal aliens getting licenses in some states?

How can some states allow "Illegal" aliens to obtain licenses at State Run License centers and not report an "Illegal" activity?

IE: Illegally entering the country!

[Bowana]

Since you are here,

How do you feel about certain states giving licenses to Illegal Aliens?

[The Old Hoosier]

Hey, Joe: You should feel honored and privileged that you have this forum to rant in due to JimRob's hard work. You may be unhappy that your #1 priority is not also his, but if not for him you'd just be throwing beer cans at your television set instead of having this unique chance to express your views with other conservatives on line.

JimRob went out of his way and got a lot of people angry in order to make sure that this forum allows for diverse conservative opinions, and not just yours or his own.

Moreover, there is no "Free Republic official position" on anything that I'm aware of. Why should we be singling out Jim for his own personal opinion--or rather, the emphasis he puts on one issue over another? I probably agree with you on immigration policy, but I came to this forum with another view and was eventually convinced. And I still don't think it's the most important issue facing our country, either. Should I be banned?

[Bowana]

Also

What about non citizens taking advantage of public social programs?

My opinion is that illegal aliens should not be given licenses or state ID's and the only programs that they should be given is bus or airline rides back to their own countries.

[Jim Robinson]

Does the federal government have constitutional authority to dictate to the states regarding licensing?

[goodieD]

How can one live in Fresno of all places, and not be concerned with immigration problems?? Giveaway programs for illegal immigrants probably suck up 90 percent of our local tax dollars, and this doesn't concern JR?

[Jim Robinson]

My opinion is each state has a right to govern themselves.

[Jim Robinson]

It's just not up that high on my personal concern list.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Hey, Joe: You should feel honored and privileged that you have this forum to rant in due to JimRob's hard work.

Thanks for that, and I have told Jim in the past that I do appreciate his work and have also donated to it.

I am just concerned, distressed and very surprised over his response to this very real issue facing this entire nation.

[Bowana]

And I still don't think it's the most important issue facing our country, either. Should I be banned?

I think Joe's point and mine too, is that Jimrob doesn't consider immigration a "big concern"!

Several of the 9/11 terrorists were illegal aliens. I believe that it was a wake up call to start paying attention to the status of aliens in this country.

I am up in NH and still see immigration as a very big issue.

[TomGuy]

there is no "Free Republic official position" on anything that I'm aware of.

That is probably true; however, some moderators do seem quick on the delete key with certain topics. That, of course, is one of the inherent things with moderators, not just on FR but on any site that has them. They do have opinions and preferences, and some are more readily active in deleting thread they don't like.

The free flow of ideas, pro and con, are essential to developing an educated populace. As FoxNews states: We report, you decide. FR seems to allow much more "pro and con" postings than most other sites, however.

[Militiaman7]

JimRob has had his plate full the last couple of years with the Washington Compost/New York Slime, disruptors, anti-freepers, updating and maintaining FR, stubborn FREEPERS (like me) and more. Maybe he hasn't had time to mull over the question of Immigration. Give him a break.

IMHO of course.

I am very thankful for FR and the dedication and sacrifice Jim and the Robinson family has had to endure so we can enjoy a truly technological phenomenon FREE REPUBLIC.

God Bless you, Jim.

[Bowana]

When it comes to licensing an "Illegal", YES I believe the government does have the authority to dictate whether an illegal gets a license or not!

[RJCogburn]

There are many more important issues for me than immigration, so I'd agree in the grand scheme of things that immigration is not a big concern of mine either.

Personally, I'm more interested in the corruption within our government. Then there is the issue of a limited constitutional government. There is the question of national defense. There are others, but you get the point.

Discuss and debate the immigartion issue all you like but to make this pointed attack on JR (who needs no defense by me) is at the least, rather unseemly, IMO.

[Bogey78O]

I see this as much ado about nothing. No sweat off me though. I do consider it a major concern though (Illegal Immigration).

[concerned about politics]

The NRA said Clinton needed a certain level of gun violence to push his agenda.
I think all politicians do. Without a created crises, they have no issues they can use to become the saviors.
The press backs them up.
The bigger the created crises, the better the issue during an election year.
Funny, the government was designed to work on behalf of the people, not the other way around.

[Bowana]

My opinion is each state has a right to govern themselves.

I ageee on Governing each state, but when an Illegal is IN THIS COUNTRY, each state should report that illegal and immigration should send them packing!