According to Joe Hadenuf: Official Free Republic Position Parallels GOP On Immigration. No Big Deal

6/23/02 | Joe Hadenuf

[Joe Hadenuf]

Last night during a conversation/debate between myself and the leader/owner of the Free Republic, Jim Robinson, a rather stunning revelation was brought forth. I asked Mr. Robinson, which Republicans were vocally backing, and supporting Tancredo in his fight for our sovereignty? After some delay, Jim answered, “I have no idea. Immigration is not a big concern of mine.”

This is from the man that runs the most well known, and respected, political conservative internet forum in the United States? And Mr. Robinson resides in California?

Below is the exchange

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To: Jim Robinson

#939: Oh, so the Republicans are fighting for our sovereignty? Besides Tancredo, which Republicans are these Jim? If you could be specific.

#1034: Which ones are not ?

#1056: You never answered my question Jim.

Since you failed to answer my question, I will go first.

Given thirty years of this open border, immigration "free for all" that has resulted in many millions entering our nation illegally, I believe there are very few Republicans, or anyone else in DC, besides Tancredo, that are visibly and vocally fighting for our national sovereignty.

Now would you care to tell me which Republicans are standing with Tancredo and voicing outrage against this titanic, never ending invasion of illegal aliens?

1056 posted on 6/22/02 11:09 PM Pacific by Joe Hadenuf [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1034 | View Replies | Report Abuse

To: Joe Hadenuf

I have no idea. Immigration is not a big concern of mine.

1109 posted on 6/22/02 11:43 PM Pacific by Jim Robinson [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1056 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

At first I as was stunned, angry, and felt let down. Then after some thought I wasn’t too surprised.

Looking back at all the hundreds of immigration threads where many were deleted, disappeared and sent to the cornfield, I guess I am not too surprised. However, given the gravity and danger this country faces regarding this out of control, titanic immigration issue, I am still outraged, disheartened and saddened by Mr. Robinson’s response. Thread after thread Freepers have displayed genuine outrage and honest concern regarding this issue. And the outrage and insanity regarding this issue goes far beyond the Free Republic.

It’s escalated to the point now where many of our major cities in this country, such as Chicago, have now approved the use of identification cards, issued by Mexican consulates that will give illegal aliens access to financial and public services and more, as our so-called leaders stand treasonously silent, as our sovereignty is slowly dismantled.

This massive invasion of millions of illegal aliens has changed the face of many of our once great cities, from California to Illinois, to Georgia, to Tennessee, to Texas etc etc.

They are crowding our already over crowded classrooms, voting in our elections, choking off our social services, driving down the wages, while driving up our taxes, filling our jails, standing room only in many big city emergency rooms, etc, etc, etc. I personally know of six American citizens that have become victims of illegal alien crime, from having family members slaughtered on our highways by drunk driving illegal aliens, to stabbings, robberies and common burglaries.

And just recently, another young Deputy Sheriff was shot through the face and killed in California by an illegal alien, that has again fled back to the safety of Mexico. It has now been learned that this individual has already been deported three times, each time he has returned and committed more crimes in our country, leaving American victims in his wake, and each time he fled back to the safety of Mexico.

There are many forms of terrorism, and this continued invasion of millions upon millions is one form. And it's my opinion that it’s one of the most dangerous, most threatening issues facing America today. Even today as we speak, our federal government continues to allow in almost 8000 Middle Eastern men a month on visas. It is my opinion that this legal and illegal “immigration free for all” must be, stopped, extremely limited, and reformed immediately!

Again, I am extremely saddened and distressed by Mr. Robinson's response and lack of concern regarding this issue.

[asneditor]

Thats fantastic. I figured you had to be after reading your posts on this thread. As Texas RLC Secretary I salute you!
http://www.rlctexas.org

[Senator Pardek]

It's Compliment Weekend at FR!

[Joe Hadenuf]

joe hadenuf and the other anti immigration people are mostly talking about kicking out the mexicans. 9/11 is irrelevant to them.

You fail to answer my simple question and then you make an idiotic statement like this?

Very revealing....

[madfly]

I can respect that. I didn't know they had a racist slant. I like and respect Mexicans and grew up enjoying their culture. I am not racist and don't want to spread racist material. I don't think most here who are against amnesty would be happy to find out they'd been fooled. I just want people to come here legal, fair and square. And I expect them to learn and respect our Constitution, and take a stab at our language.

Im glad Joe started this thread, because I have learned some things on this complicated issue and found points I need to re-think. By getting Jim Robinson here, you kinda told folks behave and keep a cool head which made for a better debate.

Thanks Jim for the straight answer for sharing your thoughts on this, and the motivation to start a list of conservative candidates for the ballot box, which is a first! I'm a recovering liberal. Clinton pissed off a lot of people. It's been therapuetic and fun to find out you are a conservative whilst among those hate the Clintons!!!!! Thank God for FreeRepublic

[watcher1]

How about looking at the big immigrant states like texas and florida? They vote republican. Besides, if you deported every non white (even the citizen non immigrant blacks) in New York, it would still vote democrat

In Florida the hispanics vote Republican because of cuba.
Texas? lol see where it is in 5 years or less
BTW Deport citizens? I hope you're kidding

[Jim Robinson]

Yeah, just coincidentally, one of the members of the Fresno RLC came to dinner with us last night after our FResno FReep. I didn't even know we had a Fresno RLC Chapter. I asked if I could join and he said you just did. LOL

[asneditor]

Thats really great to hear. Amazing how easy it is to become a member huh? LOL!

Another thing that amazes me is how many republicans cringe when they hear we are the libertarian Ron Paul wing of the GOP, when in fact if they read any of our literature that would see we are nothing more than strict constitutionalists who believe in freedom.

I'll pass it along to some of our national guys and let them know we hooked a big fish! hehehe Welcome aboard Sir.

[staytrue]

actions against employers which would be effective. Too many employers and industries are reaping huge short-term benefits from the employment of illegal immigrants

Did you know that you just admitted that you think 1)illegals work and 2) they provide some benefit to industry

I think you shall soon be drawn and quartered by joe hadenuf.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Nice.

So do you believe that there are no terrorist in this country currently?

[cynicom]

staytrue...

I can see that the entire subject went way over your head. Have a good day.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Im glad Joe started this thread, because I have learned some things on this complicated issue and found points I need to re-think.

Thanks madfly. Nice to know that some here don't mind hearing about major issues, and what others may think about it.

[Joe Hadenuf]

My thoughts exactly.....

[madfly]

joe hadenuf and the other anti immigration people are mostly talking about kicking out the mexicans. 9/11 is irrelevant to them. If 9/11 had not happened, they would still be saying the same things and so would you.

Whoever you are, you must not live in a city where the hijackers went to flight school, like Phoenix or Prescott AZ. Too close for me. Don't you dare put words in my mouth. And that's Anti ILLEGALimmigration. And it sure gets old correcting that, when YOU folks leave out a crucial part of OUR viewpoint. And it's an Equal Opportunity viewpoint.

[Mini-14]

Illegal aliens don't pay income taxes like the rest of us do.

[Jim Robinson]

Thank you very much.

[staytrue]

Illegal aliens don't pay income taxes like the rest of us do.

actually, they pay the same amount of income tax that an american citizen working at minimum wage does, which is zero.

[Freedom_Is_Not_Free]

Many immigrants want the socialist nanny-state to take care of all of their needs. They then reward the socialist nanny-state by voting overwhelminly for Democrats so that Gray Davis, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara Boxer and Hillary Clinton can forever expand the scope, activity and powere of US socialism.

Jim, I would think this was a direct corollary of your primary concern, and as such, I thought the immigration/socialism cycle would be a major hot-button issue for you. I guess I am surprised as well.

[Jim Robinson]

I think the Democrat control of California has a lot more to do with liberalism than it does with illegal immigration.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Boy, that's one way of defense, change the name of the thread. LOL!

[cynicom]

Jim...

I wish I had your optimism. A realist sometimes sees thing he does not like.