Posted on 06/23/2002 10:23:26 AM PDT by John H K
deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimusand in English:
After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.Note, that 'rapiemur' is the latin term for 'caught up'. 'Rapture' is anglicanized 'rapiemur'. This where the 'rapture' is described in the bible.
Just fyi...
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Most are just of an average intelligence and substandard education who, because they've been brainwashed by some pastor into believing that "every man is a pope" and every man is able to interpret the Bible, a false and damaging thing to teach anyone...
Because "apocalyptic Christians" are ridiculous loons...
Boy I bet the eschatological loonies are out in full force on this thread!
May the Lord Jesus look upon the words you have written and judge them accordingly.
You are mixing apples and oranges. The definition for antichrist is clear in the only book that uses that term, I John. Antichrist is the system of thought, and those who teach it, which says you can know the God of the Bible while rejected Jesus Christ. i.e., rabbinic judaism.
The Beast 666 is a different critter. In all probability, Nero, and his government.
My Bible tells me that Jesus is ruling now, and will continue to rule until the end of time, at which point we have the resurrection of the dead, the final judgement, and life everlasting, amen. Meanwhile, our Lord's enemies are being defeated one by one, over the course of generations. This process will go on until only one enemy remains, death. then comes the end.
I don't try to shoehorn loads of speculative fortune-telling into the ages between now and the end. You may have seen my aphorism:
Winners and lovers shape the future;
Whiners and losers TRY TO PREDICT IT.
May the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ deliver your from fallacious fatalisic fantasies, and put you on the road to victory in Jesus now, and eternal joy in the life to come.
Thanks for a gracious observation!
Boy I bet the eschatological loonies are out in full force on this thread!
Matthew Chpt 5
21"You have heard that the law of Moses says, `Do not murder. If you commit murder, you are subject to judgment.'22But I say, if you are angry with someone, you are subject to judgment! If you call someone an idiot, you are in danger of being brought before the high council. And if you curse someone, you are in danger of the fires of hell
Your posts have gone far beyond the bounds of eschatalogical discussion and into the realm of personal insult of Christians who have spent MANY DECADES studying the Bible. So be it.
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
18 Therefore encourage each other with these words.
For all you non-believers in the Rapture, either you believe the Bible is the Inspired Holy Word of God or you don't. You can't pick and choose which part you believe and which part you don't,
No Christian should be concerned with date setting for dates do not matter, all that matters is that we who follow Christ are ready for His Glorious appearing.
As for me and my house, we believe in the Rapture, whenever it happens, and we will serve Christ forever.
Amen.
Can't remember who did the routine - Cheech and Chong or perhaps beyond the fringe - with the airport guy... "I used to be all messed up on drugs, but now I'm all messed up on Jeeeeesus."
Actually, Puritan mathematician Napier invented logarithms in the 16th century for that very reason! The Puritans had just bungled away a Christian commonwealth, and seen a generation's worth of struggle go down the drain. It was the end of their world and therefore, of course, ipso facto, the end of the world, right?
"the incessant garbage
"Pretty pathetic..."
"...why you don't see more respectable relgious types publicly coming out against this garbage and religious mental masturbation like the "Left Behind" series."
"...largely really nutty Apocalpytics."
Wow!
Sounds like you have an agenda to me.
Notice how the minute end-time prophesy is discussed, there are people who feel compelled, not merely to disagree with it on some intellectual or biblical level, (which is fine and is their right) but they feel compelled to hurl personal insults at those who have studied God's Word.
As you said, what agenda do they have? And maybe the better question... WHOSE agenda do they represent? What entity does NOT want end-time prophesy discussed? What entity wants people to stay ignorant of what Revelation says?
Makes me go hmmmmmm.....
However it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how he may have been provoked. Some of the 'End-times' web sites and books are really quite bad, embarassing actually, with little effort to be scripturally sound or historically accurate, and some (inanely) claim to foretell an actual date for Christ's return.
These things can be studied, sequenced, and correlated with varying degrees of possibility, but some of it just begs to get ridiculed.
You are one hundred percent correct. Unfortunately, I don't know of a single evangelical who sees any problems with this.
Another thing I find distressing is the reduction of the Bible to some sort of totemic device, where reciting verses has some sort of intrinsic supernatural power. The Bible becomes a collection of mystical incantations, and finding this offensive is somehow Satanic.
It's all, as you say, very embarrassing, and even more troubling.
Some push it because the "fear factor" of it. The problem with scarring or attempting to scare people to repentance is that it only lasts as long as the percieved threat, and after that, hearts are hardened. How many times in just the last 10 years has Jack Van Impe had to re-reinterpret his prior reinterprtations? I've seen him change them from one week to the next, and then reverse it the very next week. If you have to continually adjust the interpretations to correlate to world events, something is seriously wrong with how you are interpreting the Scriptures.
The twisting of The Revelation of John, into a book of prophecy aimed at us, is at the heart of this misunderstanding. Simply reading ch.1,ver.4 should enlighten most. Proper dating of when Revelation was written, correlated to History, is also key in it's interpretation. Most who can't understand, have problems following it as prophecy, or reconciling it with the other Scriptures, when asked to reread it from a historical perspective have no trouble understanding that it was a warning to the seven Churches of Asia with respect to the rise of Nero Ceasar and his coming persecutions of the Church. The only prophecy to us, is the same as the rest of the New Testament, that Christ is coming back soon, not to rule, but in judgement, to gather the faithful.
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