BIN LADEN'S JULY 4 TERROR BROADCAST

Sunday Mirror via Drudgereport.Com ^ | Sunday 23rd Jun 2002 | Sunday Mirror

[Bobby777]

Osama bin Laden is to give another televised address to the world.

The al-Qaeda leader is to deliver a hate-filled video on July 4, American Independence Day.

The announcement was made on the Arabic Sahab website which issues daily information on the war in Afghanistan.

Bin Laden was pictured on the site, kneeling between two al-Qaeda officials.

His spokesman Sulaiman Abu Ghaith says: "America should get ready and fasten its safety belt.

"We will come to them from where they don't expect. Yes, we will wage attacks but at the right time, at the place we want, in the way we please."

On Friday the FBI were taking seriously a Lebanese-born man's claims to have overheard a mobile phone conversation in Arabic about an attack on Las Vegas.

But yesterday they said they had no evidence of any threat on July 4.

According to Michael Hamdan, the speakers said: ``"We are here in the city of corruption...the city of gambling and prostitution, the city of the unbelievers.

The warlord, who was behind the September 11 attacks on New York's World Trade Center and the Pentagon, has not been heard from since he was detected on December 11 at his eastern Afghan hideout in Tora Bora.

American intelligence sources believe he is surrounded by al-Qaeda's high command either in Afghanistan or Pakistan. The FBI has also been tracing another website, alneda. com, the mouthpiece for al-Qaeda.

The site has audio and video clips of bin Laden and photographs of al-Qaeda suspects in detention in Pakistan.

There also appear to be coded messages for followers to transmit instructions for attacks.

It has been closed down twice by US intelligence forces after appearing in Malaysia and Texas.

Earlier this month the site posted a message of condolence from terrorist and Taliban chief Mullar Mohammed Omar after the death of a Pakistan scholar.

It was revealed yesterday that the man believed to have recruited September 11 hijacker Mohammed Atta to al-Qaeda was investigated in 1999.

Mohammed Haydar Zammar, 41, attracted the attention of German intelligence after making contact with bin Laden's suspected financial chief.

Zammar was arrested in Morocco this week along with other suspected al- Qaeda members, including Abu Zubair al-Haili.

Al-Haili is thought to have been pivotal in training hijackers for September 11.

[nmh]

I can count on Proverbs to giv eme insight. When it comes to these terrorists, Proverbs 8 as well as other passages come to mind concerning these hatefilled terrorists that love death:

Proverbs 8:33-36

[33] Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.

[34] Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.

[35] For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.

[36] But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

There is NO doubt in my mind that they hate the Judeo Christian God. They love death welcome death. They clearly stated that they love death as we AMericans love life.

They exault terrorizing and murdering innocent people. All of this is contrary to Christian teachings. These "martyr" will spend theri eternity in hell, not in a mansion with orgies and virgins. Funny how sex is usually a component of many false religions.

[cake_crumb]

"Mohammed started preaching about Jewish monotheism, which led to his persecutions by the rulers of Mecca. So he, his family and friends fled to Medina."

...Which led him to take the preexisting concepts of Judaeism and Christianity, mix them up with ancient customs and superstitions belonging to the original, polytheistic culture, mix 'em all up willy nilly and include them in a book he designated the Qu Ran, which he decreed was told to him by a previously almost unknown moon god.

...Leading the Arab world on a steady line of cultural and intellectual devolution ever since.

[nmh]

I can count on Proverbs to giv eme insight. When it comes to these terrorists, Proverbs 8 as well as other passages come to mind concerning these hatefilled terrorists that love death:

Proverbs 8:33-36

[33] Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.

[34] Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.

[35] For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.

[36] But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

There is NO doubt in my mind that they hate the Judeo Christian God. They love death welcome death. They clearly stated that they love death as we AMericans love life.

They exault terrorizing and murdering innocent people. All of this is contrary to Christian teachings. These "martyr" will spend theri eternity in hell, not in a mansion with orgies and virgins. Funny how sex is usually a component of many false religions.

[NotJustAnotherPrettyFace]

According to Michael Hamdan, the speakers said: ``"We are here in the city of corruption...the city of gambling and prostitution, the city of the unbelievers.

.......... where at least one of their own, Mohammed Atta, played around before killing people on September 11, 2001.

[Pistacio]

From a quickie mart near you.

[Mixer]

I thought Al-Quida didn't warn of their attacks. Their MO sure has changed a lot since 9/11.

Meanwhile On July 4th while I am enjoying my fireworks and beers on the boardwalk this fool is going to try an go on TV and scare America. Oh man I am so worried.

Please!!!!

When I read in another thread that Al-Crapa claims to have broken the back of America I nearly choked on my laughter. They will never break us and Islam will cease to exist if any of these terror warnings ever actually get pulled off.

Everyone...We just need to keep our eyes and ears open. If you see anyone doing anything, that makes you think twice about why they might be doing that, report it to your local authorities. Even if it pans out to be nothing it is better to be safe then sorry

[a_Turk]

previously almost unknown moon god.

Naah, you're mixing things up yourself. The Sumerians were the worshippers of the moon god, which is a culture that shares the Judeo story of creation. The use of the word "Allah", which means "God" in Arabic, does not make this a religion of any moon god. Don't forget the fact that the Germanic word "God" referred to other dieties before the conversion of the Germans..

Anyway, since you want to blame a religion for the misery of the Arabs, then why not ponder the fact that the Renaissance period and the technological explosion that followed came as a direct consequence of the breaking of the grip that the Roman Catholic church had on society up until then?

Religion is a bad thing when it controls. It should be a vehicle which people choose to employ, not one they are forced to comply with.. The universe does not revolve around you..

[celtic gal]

Elvis bin Laden

Sheesh He is uglier than homemade sin!

[xJones]

Meanwhile On July 4th while I am enjoying my fireworks and beers on the boardwalk this fool is going to try an go on TV and scare America. Oh man I am so worried.

Me too. Binny is dead and they're just pulling our legs. He won't be on TV on the Fourth unless they can splice some more tapes together. This grows older, while binny grows colder. Meanwhile, I'll be at my brother's home where he barbeques the best brisket.:)

[Straight Vermonter]

Christ was born during the harvest, which was in late summer

Actually it was spring. The shepherds only tend the sheep at night when they are giving birth to the lambs in spring.

Luke 2 verse 8:And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night.

[Mortimer Snavely]

"Alla" is also the Maltese word for God. Malta's been Christian long before Muhammed's birth.

A lot of stuff folks on this forum believe about Islam and other things outside their daily experience is the result of a very superficial and hyper-enthusiastic evangelistic method made popular by Billy Sunday, and has more to do with door-to-door Kirby vacuum cleaner salesmanship than the persuasive methods of historical Christianity as practiced by St. Paul at the Areopagus in Athens.

Also, there's a cartoonist named Jack Chick who creates some cartoon pamphlets which tend to bizarre and fraudulent representations and explanations of beliefs and practices considered most eccentric in the Bible Belt South. Unfortunately, he's quite popular with all too many people, and his explanations are treated as if they were Holy Writ.

[Monty22]

Indeed. We should've responded with 9/11 with nuclear attack.

However, we are weak. And now they know it.

And, there's a faction of people (mostly norwegians for some reason) that don't want to nuke mecca or medina ever AFTER the USA is decimated.

So there's no deterence whatsoever.

[cake_crumb]

I believe you refer to the Arab insistance that "Allah" is related to the Hebrew word Eloah", which translates generically into "god".

The Allah of the Qu Ran according to the Encyclopedia of Religion says: "'Allah' is a pre-Islamic name ... corresponding to the Baylonian Bel."

I don't know for sure that Allah was a 'moon god'...only that he was one of a pantheon of Meccan deities.

"Anyway, since you want to blame a religion for the misery of the Arabs"

LOL...idiot. I'm the one who gets flamed constantly for DEFENDING Arabs - the general population - much more than I should.

I blame a bunch of religious clerics who consider a dislike of fighting to be a disease, and the idiots who so much want to satisfy their personal blood lust that they use the statements of mad mullahs to commit murder. I blame people who say that peace with Muslims is not possible until "the restoration of the Muslim glory and power, when the banner of Tawhid is raised to control the world and direct it, with no resistance" is acheived.

The world doesn't revolve around YOU, OR the propaganda you attempt to perpetuate.

[a_Turk]

I believe you refer to the Arab insistance that "Allah" is related to the Hebrew word Eloah", which translates generically into "god".

No, idiot, all I am saying is that the word "Allah" in that part of the world and in their language means "God."

I don't know for sure that Allah was a 'moon god'...only that he was one of a pantheon of Meccan deities.

Then, idiot, if you're not sure about something, don't rip open that huge orifice of yours about it.

The world doesn't revolve around YOU, OR the propaganda you attempt to perpetuate.

It's that the world is round, idiot, and that the universe does not revolve around you :^D

[cake_crumb]

"Allah, the moon god, was married to the sun goddess. Together they produced three goddesses who were called 'the daughters of Allah'. These three goddesses were called Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat"

--A Comprehensive Commentary on the Quran, Osnabrück: Otto Zeller Verlag, 1973, p.36

[Bobby777]

http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/

"The Women" [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

[4.91] You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given.you a clear authority.

The Dinner Table - [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

The Cattle - [6.146] And to those who were Jews We made unlawful every animal having claws, and of oxen and sheep We made unlawful to them the fat of both, except such as was on their backs or the entrails or what was mixed with bones: this was a punishment We gave them on account of their rebellion, and We are surely Truthful.

The Immunity - Denial of Deity of Christ and His Messiahship - [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away! (MAY ALLAH DESTROY JEWS AND CHRISTIANS)

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

The Congregation [62.6] Say: O you who are Jews, if you think that you are the favorites of Allah to the exclusion of other people, then invoke death If you are truthful. (PLEASE COMMIT SUICIDE)

The Cow - [2.111] And they say: None shall enter the garden (or paradise) except he who is a Jew or a Christian. These are their vain desires. Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful.

The Women - [4.171] O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one god; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector. (CLEARLY STATES THAT JESUS IS **NOT** THE SON OF GOD)

The Dinner Table - The Dinner Table [5.14] And with those who say, We are Christians, We made a covenant, but they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore We excited among them enmity and hatred to the day of resurrection; and Allah will inform them of what they did.

[5.72] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust.

Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123), slay them (Q. 9: 5), fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) even if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax (Q. 9: 29). Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tell clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q. 3: 85). It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5: 11), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28). It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193).

"Fight those who do not profess the true faith [ISLAM], till they pay the jiziya with the hand of humility." - Koran 9: 29

".... I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks [CUT OFF THEIR HEADS], and smite all their finger tips of them [CUT OFF THEIR FINGERS]." - Koran 8: 12

"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." - Koran 9: 73

"When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads [CUT OFF THEIR HEADS] and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly." - Koran 47: 4

"The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom...." - Koran 5: 33-34

" Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued." - Koran 9: 29

"....the Christians call 'Christ the Son Of God'. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth." - Koran 9: 30

"....the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures." - Koran 98: 1-8

"Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: 'Taste the torment of the Conflagration!'" - Koran 22: 19-22, 23

"And burn ye him in the blazing fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits. This was he that would not believe in allah Most high and would not encourage the feeding of the indignant. So no friend hath he here this day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds. " - Koran 31-37

[cake_crumb]

No it DOESN'T

[Bobby777]

thanks for the reference ...

[neutrino]

Thanks for all your comments and insights (and the game link!)

I guess what I think would be most powerful against them would be somewhat different than the existing genre. For example, showing Sammy bin Laden as a convenience store clerk is funny - but because it doesn't aim at a core attribute of the target, it is less likely to wound. Consider, if you will, calling a lean and fit bodybuilder "fatso". It may be amusing, but it won't cause any pain.

No, this is humor with an edge to it. And it needs to cut like a razor. For example, moslems keep their women covered up, and this has led to jokes about the women's appearance. But consider how much more powerful it would be if there was an image of a fully covered woman, with the caption "In moslem countries, women must be fully covered". And the next panel would show a badly battered woman, with features that might once have been pretty but are now scarred. One eye will have been blackened, the nose will be broken. The title would be "Because the brave islamic warriors like to beat up women."

Notice that this takes aim at a central behavior of the culture, is credible, may have an element of truth, and is impossible to fully refute. Another image might have the Philipine terrorists, all heavily armed, surrounding the soon-to-be murdered tourist...the one they beheaded. Caption it "Brave islamic warriors." They don't seem so brave anymore, do they?

One can be more light hearted. In mosques, the assembled worshipers bend over to pray. One might create a caption to the effect "Hey, Abdulla - I told you not to eat beans!".

Or consider this: "What is it called when a palestinian encourages his children to become suicide bombers?"

Answer: Retirement planning.

Yeah, that's a pretty lame joke. Other can do better, I'm certain!

I fully believe this could have a strong effect. The old Daffy Duck cartoons that lampooned nazis were effective - and may be suggestive of tactics that can be used against our current enemies.