Posted on 06/22/2002 9:46:05 AM PDT by quidnunc
Yep the John Birch Society.
Remember Hillary was a Goldwater girl...
Not at all. All one has to do is read the Patriot Act and CFR to understand. He is a traitor to you and I. He would have us jailed for speaking out in the 60 days prior to an election. He agrees that the mere perception that "any person" is a threat to government or any other person, would warrant our imprisonment without formal charges, without bail, without the ability to speak to an attorney or see the evidence against us.
Traitor is the nicest word I can say on this forum about George W. Bush.
B.S. I grew up in AZ. Went to High School in Yuma AZ. I still have family there. And no, McCain couldn't fill Goldwater's jockstrap.
I agree, you could have called him a DemiDog.
You're absolutely right. It is "the way that you act, think, and just generally live your life [that] determines what you are." And your basic principles, values and temperament need not change. But the world is going to change and the issues it presents to you are going to be constantly changing. Conservative solutions that worked in the 19th century may not be adequate to deal with 21st century problems.
Now, what happens in 2004? His dad couldn't win two in a row. Bush has alienated at least a portion of his base. Folks, I'm telling you right now that you are living in a dream world if you think Bush is going to skate in 2004. The fact is that liberals will vote for the real liberal, not a liberal lite. And once again the Repbulican party will pander to the liberals and leave their base blowing in the wind because they think they can't not vote for the Republican candidate. I say you have a real problem brewing.
You guys can make fun of us Buchanan supporters all you like. You can call us names, laugh at us because we stood by our ideals in 2000. You can post the actual election numbers and basicly laugh your a--es off, patting each other on the back. The fact is, you've got a problem. We tried to tell you. And now you're going to have to make up the difference between what you got last time, and the rest of the disaffected conservative voters who'll have left your ranks by 2004.
If you think you've seen losses up until now, you wait until Bush pushes through Hillary Care ala Ted Kennedy, and the Medication Prescription addendum. This is going to get ugly. We told you it would, and all you could do is call people names and laugh.
Okay, laugh.
Really? Even Gore didn't know the extent to which Clinton was involved with Lewinsky...
"Traitor" has become a throwaway word to you libertarians. You apply it to anybody who doesn't buy into your sex, drugs, and rock n' roll view of life.
Oh, and it also applies to those who support Israel as the likes of you blame America for the actions of Al-Qaeda.
Buchanan supporters telling Bush how to win elections? You got to admit, THAT'S funny.
99% of the time pragmitism such as you suggest is the correct and mature option, not now however. Maybe it's time to start burning s### down and send the message that we won't be used and betrayed anymore. Your contention that if we just keep eating it we'll eventually somehow find ourselves electing stellar conservatives is not workable. We've had a slow devolution all along then we elect a Republican who only adds another 2 lanes on to the highway to socialist utopia.
I'm sorry JR but at the end of this month, I will have just gotten done working for an entire half a year to pay off my goverment, 51% = majority ownership. Our country honestly doesn't have a freaking "generation" to set things right.
I'm no longer supporting pols because of fear of the alternative as I and we have been doing all along.
The first word one comes across when they surf here is "FREE". You're causing me to lose sleep (I'm not kidding) when you suggest that we become weak, conformist and compliant. One reason why FR is where it is today is because of your huge set of nads.
You wanna be "free" let's be free. We don't have a "generation".
It is in fact. It is not a "Christian" conservative principle, but it is a conservative principle (or what used to be conservative. Goldwater was also for the repeal of the Income tax and the end to drug prohibition. Those were in fact at one time conservative principles based on a strict interpretation of the Constitution.
Neo-conservatives have no principles. They are guided by Dewey's philosophy of Pragmatism which asserts that what is right is conditional upon the end result.
If the end sought is a good cause, then the means do not matter. The problem with this in politics is that the government will never achieve the means. Thus, you will always be left with the pragmatic choice taken to "get there" and are forced to abandon principles.
Freepers would do well to study the Pragmatic philosophers including John Dewey and open their eyes.
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