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I am not certain if the Bush people have thought of this, but it probably wouldn't make any difference if they had.  Bush barely eaked by getting elected against the most currupt administration in 225 years.  Bill Clinton was a crook, a womanizer, a perjuror, an obstructor of justice, a traitor and a number of other things.  Al Gore was his confidant.  He participated in or helped cover up everything.  Bush didn't even benefit from the "Gerald Ford" effect, the rebelling against someone who was too closely affiliated with a crook.

Now, what happens in 2004?  His dad couldn't win two in a row.  Bush has alienated at least a portion of his base.  Folks, I'm telling you right now that you are living in a dream world if you think Bush is going to skate in 2004.  The fact is that liberals will vote for the real liberal, not a liberal lite. And once again the Repbulican party will pander to the liberals and leave their base blowing in the wind because they think they can't not vote for the Republican candidate.  I say you have a real problem brewing.

You guys can make fun of us Buchanan supporters all you like.  You can call us names, laugh at us because we stood by our ideals in 2000.  You can post the actual election numbers and basicly laugh your a--es off, patting each other on the back.  The fact is, you've got a problem.  We tried to tell you.  And now you're going to have to make up the difference between what you got last time, and the rest of the disaffected conservative voters who'll have left your ranks by 2004.

If you think you've seen losses up until now, you wait until Bush pushes through Hillary Care ala Ted Kennedy, and the Medication Prescription addendum.  This is going to get ugly.  We told you it would, and all you could do is call people names and laugh.

Okay, laugh.

733 posted on 06/22/2002 8:31:45 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
"Al Gore was his confidant."

Really? Even Gore didn't know the extent to which Clinton was involved with Lewinsky...

734 posted on 06/22/2002 8:33:26 PM PDT by marajade
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Well, he barely eked out his first term a governor. He then won his second term with 70% of the vote. Which, btw is his present poll numbers. We shall see.

735 posted on 06/22/2002 8:34:19 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: DoughtyOne
You guys can make fun of us Buchanan supporters all you like.

Buchanan supporters telling Bush how to win elections? You got to admit, THAT'S funny.

737 posted on 06/22/2002 8:34:51 PM PDT by Roscoe
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You think the conservative base that actually voted for Bush (as opposed to Buchanan), will abandon him over extending medicare coverage for seniors to prescription drugs? I am sorry, but I think you handle on psephology is akin to your handle on economics.
744 posted on 06/22/2002 8:37:41 PM PDT by Torie
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Ron, I hate to have to tell you, but people who spend as much time in fantasy land as the Buchanites do probably don't have a lot of room to accuse others of living in dream worlds.

755 posted on 06/22/2002 8:42:17 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: DoughtyOne; Jim Robinson; Texasforever; Torie; Roscoe
Now, what happens in 2004?  His dad couldn't win two in a row.  Bush has alienated at least a portion of his base.  Folks, I'm telling you right now that you are living in a dream world if you think Bush is going to skate in 2004.  The fact is that liberals will vote for the real liberal, not a liberal lite. And once again the Repbulican party will pander to the liberals and leave their base blowing in the wind because they think they can't not vote for the Republican candidate.  I say you have a real problem brewing.

I think the statement above has a great deal of merit.

I voted for Bush twice in 2000, in the primary and the general. In '96 I voted for Keyes and then Dole. In '92, I voted for Buchanan (I think) and then Bush the Elder. I don't regret any of those votes, though I'd never vote for Buchanan or Keyes again, they're no longer even serious enough candidates for a primary vote.

Does that leave my re-election vote in the bag, no matter what Bush might do? No.

If the election was held today, I'd don a tight pair of noseplugs and vote for Bush with some heavy reservations. The "what about Gore/Hillary/etc." argument isn't especially persuasive. Trotting out the boogeyman to keep me in line no matter what Bush might do doesn't win my vote. The President needs to do that on his own merits.

Does that make me unappeasable? I don't think so. I'd been a straight line libertarian during the 80s, but got tired of that and eventually registered GOP in the early 90s. Even so, I totally surprised myself voting for Bush the Elder in 1992. Perot and Clinton just turned my stomach for any other alternative to be feasible.

Yet I can't join those in this forum who blame Perot voters for Clinton. George HW Bush took those votes for granted, and acted in ways that lost his majority from 1988. He has no one to blame but himself. Politicians serve at our pleasure, and our franchise is not their birthright.

George W. Bush starts out the 2004 campaign with a half-million vote deficit. The votes he got in 2000 are his "base." He barely eked out an Electoral College victory with but dozens of votes to spare. Maybe his new poll numbers will hold until 2004, maybe they won't. But if he alienates enough voters that he loses in 2004, then like his father, he'll have no one to blame but himself for his loss.

Many of us in this forum who protest loudly a number of Bush's recent actions are doing so to prevent such an erosion of his base and a potentially disastrous loss in 2004. But if the President knows our votes are in the bag, he has every reason to ignore us, just as he will if he knows we'd never vote for him. As the election nears, politicians only focus on getting out their base and winning the votes in play.

The best scenario possible is that Bush governs as we'd like and wins re-election. I'll take a certain amount of compromise in governance, but I don't like some of the trends. Where the conservative agenda can't realitically be advanced, the line must at least be held. Yet I see too much incrementalism in favor of the Left's agendas, where holding the line holds little risk. Thus my uneasiness.

So for now, I've determined I'm a Bush-leaning swing voter. And I won't cut him any slack




1,361 posted on 06/23/2002 10:44:08 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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