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Junk science about obesity
Washington Times ^ | Thursday, June 20, 2002 | Paul Campos

Posted on 06/19/2002 11:21:13 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:54:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

An abiding weakness of the conventional wisdom is that, once a supposed fact has become part of that wisdom, it becomes almost impossible to dislodge it.

Contemporary journalism contributes to this problem by relying on technologies that help ensure an assertion, once it is repeated enough times, will never be checked against the actual evidence. Consider for example the claim that fat kills 300,000 Americans per year, and is thus the nation's second leading cause of premature death, trailing only cigarettes. A Lexis database search reveals that this "fact" has been repeated in more than one thousand news stories over the past three years alone. Yet the evidence for this claim is so slim as to be practically nonexistent.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: junkscience; obesity; pufflist
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To: savedbygrace
"Fat governments are our problem,"........

I must reply with the slight fear of a moderator stepping in to squish my words. It happened once. Here's what happened then. When a freeper suggested on a thread that Hillary was opening her mouth too often these days on various subjects, I suggested that if she had opened her mouth a little more often a few years ago some things might have been a little different. I don't think that is too offensive at all, but the free speech folks here didn't like it.

Well, trying NOT to incite anyone to rash actions, there is a way to decrease the size of fat government............stop paying them?

141 posted on 06/23/2002 1:16:05 PM PDT by ChasingFletch
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To: angry elephant
Junk food is the main staple for kids. That's why there is a dramatically incresing plague of obesity in our kids. And, based on my own experience (and not speaking for anyone else, lest I be misunderstood) as a teacher, the kind of lunch that my students brought from home, packed by their parents (both Moms and Dads) consisted mostly of junk food. My Superintendent (at a private school) thought it a serious enough problem that we started a twelve-week program, meeting once a week, to teach PARENTS about nutrition. I taught the class, and it truly amazed me how little these parents knew about basic nutrition. These were in some cases the same parents who thought their kids should be put on Ritalin to calm them down. We suggested a diet based more on fresh fruit and vegetables and high quality protein (in moderation) instead of prepackaged cakes, cookies, chips, and sugar drinks. We saw some improvement, for awhile anyway.

As to PE, the trend is the opposite. When I was in school back in the dark ages, we had to take PE twice a week. Now it is required every day, and in the State in which I taught, a student had to pass PE in order to graduate. I admit that kids spend more time at computers, but all of my students as well as my own kids and their friends are also very physically active. My son spends just as much time playing basketball, roller blading, riding his bike, skate boarding and in the winter snow boarding and ice skating, as he does on the computer. I really have not personally witnessed this supposed decline in physical activity in kids from 20 years ago, although I know that many claim it exists.

As I have been posting on this thread for the last several days, I remain convinced that the problem with physical fitness lies in the grocery store aisles and restaurants and in the ignorance of our society as to what they are eating compared to what they should be eating to be healthy.

142 posted on 06/23/2002 1:52:03 PM PDT by LoneGreenEyeshade
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To: ET(end tyranny)
how much control do you have over what your local grocery store carries

I'm not an expert on the food supply chain, but if I understand free commerce at all, I believe the grocery stores and the food manufacturers are providing what people are willing to spend their money on. More space in virtually every grocery store, except the local vegetable stand, is now devoted to cookies, baked goods, chips, soft drinks and other "junk" food than is allocated to fresh fruits and vegetables. And even in the later, laced among the vegies and fruits you will undoubtedly find high fat veggie dips and "candy" (ie caramel or chocolate) dips for your fruit. I've also noticed an increase in the "loose" candy bins---the ones where you pick and choose and pay by the pound. And amazingly, these are more often than not nearby the fresh fruits and veggies.

It's what sells. It is what the American public wants. And it's what is going to cause increasing disease among us.

Another phenomenon that pervades our streets are the "7-11" "Quick Checks" "Mini Food Marts" or whatever they are called wherever you live. Every gas station around here has one. They are not as prevalent at gas stations in NJ, where I used to live, because you can't pump your own gas there. But here in Washington, where you have to get out of your car and in many cases go to the cashier to pay for your gas, you cannot help but be confronted with aisles of candy, chips, soft drinks and other "junk" food. Why this stuff and not a counter filled with apples, bananas, oranges, dried nuts.....You tell me!

The stuff taste good, is relatively cheap, and abundantly available....

I think I'll go eat a cookie....

143 posted on 06/23/2002 2:05:46 PM PDT by LoneGreenEyeshade
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Did the hospital say precisely what about the Atkins diet caused this?

Yes, extreme potassium deficiency....BUT, I took supplements every day and the potassium in my blood stream was high. Problem is, without carbo's, it seems the metabolism of vital nutrients, as well as ingested fat, in also impeded. So, althoug the potassium was in my bloodstream, it could not be used to maintain a stable heart beat.

I also had abnormal kidney functions from prolonged ketosis. Ketosis puts your kidneys into hyperdrive in order to replace the carbohydrates needed to feed your brain. Beware if you take any kind of precription medications, which also tax your kidneys. Coupled with ketosis, I'd make sure I was getting regular blood tests to make sure my kidneys were not failing.

144 posted on 06/23/2002 2:12:18 PM PDT by LoneGreenEyeshade
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To: savedbygrace
Still, what you wrote is correct. Just for the record. LOL.

Thanks for that measure of grace.

FReegards,
ppaul


145 posted on 06/23/2002 5:58:39 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: savedbygrace
Good thing for you the airlines don't charge morons and bigots extra to fly

I don't think making fat people jokes makes someone a bigot. And for the record, I am a fat guy myself (although I prefer the more politically correct adjective "Brandoesque").

146 posted on 06/23/2002 6:05:25 PM PDT by murdoog
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To: murdoog
Hahahahahaha.

BTW, I wasn't onto ppaul because of any jokes. In fact, I didn't read anything from him that was a joke.

147 posted on 06/23/2002 6:48:57 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: ppaul
Not grace, just an acknowledgement of some truth. I try to respond to truth similarly regardless of the source.
148 posted on 06/23/2002 6:51:37 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: savedbygrace
Oooooooo.
You're so viscious.


149 posted on 06/23/2002 10:27:04 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: ppaul
Now, that's funny --- baiting somebody on a thread about overeating. Hahahahahahaha.
150 posted on 06/24/2002 6:37:50 AM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: LoneGreenEyeshade
are you a registered Communist, an idiot or being unduly sarcastic? Personal responsibility my left-wing acquaintance, personal responsibility !
151 posted on 06/24/2002 6:43:02 AM PDT by chemainus
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To: chemainus
Guess you would rather have "government" responsibility---have them take care of you instead. That way all of us could remain ignorant and dependent. What has taking responsibility for oneself and one's health have to do with being a communist?

Sheesh!

152 posted on 06/24/2002 2:20:43 PM PDT by LoneGreenEyeshade
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To: LoneGreenEyeshade
i don't like a gubbimint mandated sign....if you want to stuff like a pig it should be your right and no else's business
153 posted on 06/24/2002 2:45:36 PM PDT by chemainus
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To: DB
I think you are right.

Most people do not understand what a "calorie" is. A calorie is simply a unit of heat energy...Like a BTU. Do you know how they determine the calories of a food? THey burn it and measure the heat produced! That's right! They dehydrate the food, and grind it into a powder, then apply a flame, and measure the energy released.

So how do they know if all that heat is actually usable energy that our bodies can digest and store? I could burn a book and it would give off loads of calories, but if I ate a book, how fat would it make me? About the only part of a book that I could even metabolize is the glue, and that's only if it is an animal based glue.
154 posted on 06/24/2002 3:05:11 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: chemainus
if you want to stuff like a pig it should be your right and no else's business

Yeah, if you are an adult ...be my guest. But please don't ask me to pay your medical bills.

My biggest concern from my experience as a teacher, is what parents are doing to their kids. I don't want the government involved, but I would like parents to take some responsibility for the health and well-being of their kids. And, if you read my posts, you will learn that trying to help parents understand that their kids, in many cases, need better nutrition, not Ritalin, is where I have personally put effort and been thanked for it. I'm sure YOU fully understand what YOU are eating and how it is effecting YOU, but a surprising number of people do not understand that Twinkies, wonderful little edibles that they are, do not provide a good lunch for their kids!

155 posted on 06/24/2002 4:06:24 PM PDT by LoneGreenEyeshade
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To: chemainus
Five years later, fresh from his victory over tobacco companies, Banzhaf is a leader of a movement of trial lawyers and public-health activists who are marshaling the strategies used against tobacco to go after fast-food restaurants and food processors that sell "fatty" food, candy, soft drinks and other consumables deemed politically incorrect.

From Insight Magazine, Cover Story

We are too late!

156 posted on 06/24/2002 4:13:52 PM PDT by LoneGreenEyeshade
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To: DB
Contrary to how I was misinterpreted, what I have feared is what is now happening as described in Insight Magazine today and briefly mentioned in Post 156. Unfortunately, we seem to be living in a police state, to a degree, where when "we" act irresponsibly, the lawyers are going to jump in.
157 posted on 06/24/2002 4:31:21 PM PDT by LoneGreenEyeshade
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To: LoneGreenEyeshade
I suspect the lawyers this time bit off more than they can chew... ;-)
158 posted on 06/24/2002 7:44:08 PM PDT by DB
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To: LoneGreenEyeshade
I am a parent and a university teacher and an independent person...the parent wins out...i do not particularly want 'teachers' deciding what is good and what is not good for my children. No personal disrespect but I have nothing but diddain for the training most teachers get from the various schools of education. I am tired of the mantra of 'that's just content' and the 'process' that is disseminated in lieu of education to the teaching group. I am sure you are a wonderful teacher albeit your views toward parents are somewhat paternalistic and condescending to say the least. Re-examine that position and see if you have not accidently stepped into a socialist-thinking snare with the other message being to 'stay out of a socialist snare' . This is a classic case of dual motivations all leading to the same place. Cheers, we're just talking.
159 posted on 06/25/2002 4:55:51 AM PDT by chemainus
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