Why I'm not a libertarian

World Net Daily ^ | June 18, 2002 | Joseph Farah

[old-ager]

For discussion. Farah is certainly an articulate fellow.

[billybudd]

Joe's article pretty much summarizes my thoughts exactly.

[Reagan Man]

Joe Farah doesn't know what he is! He's living in limbo.

>>>The truth is there's more to life than politics. Much more.

Frankly Joe, you're full of s**t!

[brat]

"Man can only learn to govern himself when he understands there is a higher accountability – a higher authority. Ideally, that higher authority is not the government, but God. Government can only demand good behavior through force. But when individuals understand they are accountable to God, and that He requires certain kinds of behavior as defined in the Ten Commandments and the totality of scripture, there is a chance for man to maximize his freedom here on earth."

And this is why our nation is going to hell in a handbasket today! Bravo JF, as usual!

[monday]

Hmmm.... I thought I was a libertarian, but I agree pretty much with Farah. Doe's that mean I am not a libertarian either?

I think there might be more libertarians than Farah realizes that agree with him:^)

[ravinson]

Libertarians make a fundamental mistake about the nature of man. Man is not inherently good.

Typical anti-libertarian strawman argument. Libertarianism does not entail a belief that "man is inherently good". In fact, libertarians require that individuals be held responsible for their own actions -- which is the quickest way to expose bad actors.

[f.Christian]

Yeah...

there's something really backwards about liberals--libertarians and evolutionists...

they think the state/human nature will evolve and wither away---too idealists to put it nicely!

The big lie...

Originally the word liberal meant social conservatives who advocated growth and progess---mostly technological(knowledge being absolute/unchanging)based on law--reality...the nature of man/govt. does not change. These were the Classical liberals...stable scientific reality/society---industrial progress!

Then came the post-modern age of switch-flip-spin...atheist secular materialists through evolution removed the foundations...made the absolutes relative and calling all technology/science === evolution to substantiate/justify their efforts--claims...social engineering--PC---utopias!

Liberals/Evolution BELIEVE they are the conservatives--guardians too!

Hypnotism--witchraft ideology--politics--religion--BRAINWASHING--superstition--BIAS---EVOLUTION

[dheretic]

Do you write your posts extremely drunk or stoned?

[exnavy]

Joe is always able to put into words well that which escapes me.

[exnavy]

Very true, I have been amazed at how the "liberal" political label has evolved.

[f.Christian]

spelling error...

they think the state/human nature will evolve and wither--float away---too idealistic to put it nicely!

[dheretic]

Libertarianism requires absolute responsibility. How many libertarians out there blame porn, and not Ted Bundy, for the crimes that he committed? How many conservatives blame the drug and not the violent criminal? How many conservatives are not willing to stop subscribing to cable tv since it attacks their values? They want the government to step in and regulate it so they can still have it. They aren't willing to take responsibility by cutting off the service. Same goes for movie and music. If you don't like the music, don't listen it. Movies too pornographic? Don't go to the theatres and see anything above PG. Radio too saucy? Replace your radio with a CD player.

We advocate freedom and responsibility. We do recognize the fact that you cannot have freedom without a moral society. What we disagree with is how the state should deal with that. If the people aren't moral, the actions their government takes won't be either. Only a limited government can minimize the damage. Libertarianism is, as many libertarian writers put it, quite possibly the most cynical philosophy about human nature around in the mainstream.

[dheretic]

I was referring to your bizarre syntax.

[f.Christian]

These were the classical liberals...founding fathers--principles---

stable scientific reality/society...industrial progress---growth!

[tdadams]

Some libertarian concepts are only plausible in a purely libertarian society. For instance, 'open borders' is absolute suicide unless we also completely eliminate our overly generous welfare state.

[tdadams]

I'm a libertarian, but not a Libertarian. There's a difference. One is a thinking, realistic libertarian. The other is a brain-dead Libertarian living in a theoretical world.

[dheretic]

Your posts make me believe that English is not your first language and that you are having major problems speaking it even proficiently. You write in English less coherently than I write Spanish.

[yendu bwam]

Libertarianism does not entail a belief that "man is inherently good".

This is not what Farah was saying. He said that libertarians do not understand that man is inherently bad. Which has a lot of truth to it.

[yendu bwam]

Libertarianism requires absolute responsibility. How many libertarians out there blame porn, and not Ted Bundy, for the crimes that he committed?

Right, like drugs. Libertarians refuse to see that allowing everyone to use dangerous narcotic drugs, as an example, leads inevitably to an increase in violent crime and theft and driving under the influence of drugs (which leads to innocent death). By the time the offender has been punished, the crime has been done. They're like the Catholic bishops, who wish to punish homosexual teenage boy molesters after they've committed the crime. By then, the teenage boy has already been horribly harmed.

[KissOfTheSith]

>Why I'm not a libertarian

Why I'm not a libertarian: I keep falling off my broom...

-- KotS