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To: old-ager
Libertarianism requires absolute responsibility. How many libertarians out there blame porn, and not Ted Bundy, for the crimes that he committed? How many conservatives blame the drug and not the violent criminal? How many conservatives are not willing to stop subscribing to cable tv since it attacks their values? They want the government to step in and regulate it so they can still have it. They aren't willing to take responsibility by cutting off the service. Same goes for movie and music. If you don't like the music, don't listen it. Movies too pornographic? Don't go to the theatres and see anything above PG. Radio too saucy? Replace your radio with a CD player.

We advocate freedom and responsibility. We do recognize the fact that you cannot have freedom without a moral society. What we disagree with is how the state should deal with that. If the people aren't moral, the actions their government takes won't be either. Only a limited government can minimize the damage. Libertarianism is, as many libertarian writers put it, quite possibly the most cynical philosophy about human nature around in the mainstream.

12 posted on 06/19/2002 1:33:16 AM PDT by dheretic
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To: dheretic
Libertarianism requires absolute responsibility. How many libertarians out there blame porn, and not Ted Bundy, for the crimes that he committed?

Right, like drugs. Libertarians refuse to see that allowing everyone to use dangerous narcotic drugs, as an example, leads inevitably to an increase in violent crime and theft and driving under the influence of drugs (which leads to innocent death). By the time the offender has been punished, the crime has been done. They're like the Catholic bishops, who wish to punish homosexual teenage boy molesters after they've committed the crime. By then, the teenage boy has already been horribly harmed.

19 posted on 06/19/2002 7:29:28 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: dheretic
As my father so nicely said to me once,

Democrats : want to Steal your money and Stay out of your Bed room

Republicans: Want you to keep your money and get into your Bed room (legislate Morality) (Side note, Please note that this was prior to the Recent President Bush Free Give-A-ways)

Libertarians: Want you to keep your money AND stay out of your bed room.

With that type of Ideology I'm pretty much Libertarian. I do have to say that there are SOME issues I do not agree with the "PARTY" such as Immigration, But I feel more Constitutional Loving people Can change what ill's the Libertarian Party. (IMHO!)

21 posted on 06/19/2002 7:38:20 AM PDT by Japedo
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To: dheretic
Libertarianism requires absolute responsibility.

I agree with you here dheretic. The problem is that: THERE ARE A LOT OF REALLY IRRESPONSIBLE PEOPLE OUT THERE. You can try to round them up and punish them after they've committed atrocious crimes. But that's too late. If absolute responsibility were even close to being possible (it's obviously not, to most people), then libertarianism would make some sense. It comes back to what Farah said. A lot of people are bad and do bad things.

27 posted on 06/19/2002 10:33:40 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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