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Don't pay your taxes...coming to a town near you.
The Daily Gazette | June 18, 2002 | Carl Strock

Posted on 06/18/2002 7:35:22 AM PDT by 1Old Pro

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To: LandofLincoln
I will tell you who the tax code does not apply toward ... every single person who comes to this country get a free ride on the income tax issue for SEVEN full years.

HUH?

22 posted on 06/18/2002 8:16:13 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: fporretto
Anyone who steps forward to lead a tax revolt must know that a crosshairs will settle on his forehead at once.

Not so! I know of numerous people who have legitmately backed out of the VOLUNTARY federal income tax system. Here's a link to one in particular:

Tax Informer

His name is Chad Prater and he has not paid federal income taxes in 14 years. He has over 10,000 clients in all 50 states, many of whom have not paid in 10 years. His method for legally backing out of the system of VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE is the best I've seen. You may want to order his book or call him on the phone and begin your own research.

We must stop funding our enslavers!

23 posted on 06/18/2002 8:16:20 AM PDT by BillofRights
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To: LandofLincoln
but our taxes are confiscated by our employers before we ever see our checks.

I've heard several people advocating removing withholding so everyone will have to send in a check to the feds once a year to pay their 'fair share'. The powers-that-be certainly knew what they were doing when they instituted payroll deductions. Since people don't ever see the money, they don't miss it and, therefore, it cause them no pain to see that several hundred or several thousand dollar payment go out. I believe that if people had to send this in on their own, there would finally be a MASS uprising and refusal to pay but, alas, I don't believe it will ever happen. The power to tax is the power to destroy.

25 posted on 06/18/2002 8:17:30 AM PDT by KentuckyWoman
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To: 1Old Pro
Not paying your taxes is surely one way of screwing the government. Eventually you will wind up being housed, fed,clothed, entertained, medicated, offered an education and Gyms in which to bulk up your body-eventally providing you a burial plot and funeral, if your sentence is long enogh, or you are old enough when sentenced.

All in all it's sort of a perverted rebellion, because you are also screwing yourself. Better to pay those taxes and bitch about them as a free citizen, more or less.

26 posted on 06/18/2002 8:19:56 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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To: Barbara14
The conclusion of that hearing, you will not be surprised to learn, is that the 16th Amendment to the Constitution, establishing the tax, was not properly ratified back in 1913, and the Internal Revenue Service, therefore, has no good foundation in law. The government has been conning us all these years.

Oh yeah. Since 1913, the government has been taking our money illegally and, until now, no one has challenged it. And even though the 16th Amendment is IN the Constitution, it's not really there. It just snuck in by itself when no one was looking. And no one even noticed it. Oh yeah. That's believable.

Occam's Razor, Barbara

27 posted on 06/18/2002 8:20:25 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: screen name with extra added
There is a conspiracy, but when it transpires in broad daylight it's increasingly difficult to call it such

I guess that's what I mean. But if it's a conspiracy, it's a conspiracy of millions over many generations.

I hate the income tax, but I don't think there's some sort of ruling politburo sneakily keeping me in line. It's the damned government that my fellow countrymen keep electing, the idiots.

28 posted on 06/18/2002 8:20:28 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: Pern
Why is it when a person realizes the injustice of the tax code and wants to do something about it they are usually labled as 'kooks' or a 'nuts'?

that is one of the many reasons why the government/irs can continue to deceive the american people.

like shultz says, we need a force.

29 posted on 06/18/2002 8:21:39 AM PDT by christine
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To: BillofRights
Amazing!!! And he is selling this? Whatta guy!!! Gosh, it sounds like a good investment in my future!!!
30 posted on 06/18/2002 8:22:31 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: screen name with extra added
Another thing that Jefferson said when our forefathers were arguing about establishing a central bank (yes, this was an issue from the very beginning). "The only thing that can destroy this form of government is the establishment of a central bank, because when one gives up control of their currency, they give up their sovereignty." He was right, we have had no control over our government since that fateful day in 1913. But, it will take stronger men than this generation has to fix it.
31 posted on 06/18/2002 8:26:57 AM PDT by LandofLincoln
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To: LandofLincoln
good post! i agree! ;)
32 posted on 06/18/2002 8:33:59 AM PDT by christine
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To: BillofRights
I hope you haven't given up on filing your taxes because, that videotape notwithstanding, the arguments in it have all been thoroughly debunked. Sorry you blew 20 bucks.

On the domestic income question, the contention in the videotape is based on a misreading of the sections they cite, which distinguish US versus non-US income for purposes of preventing double taxation by the US and another jurisdiction. They do not specify whether income is taxable or define gross income.

On the question of state citizenship versus US citizenship, that's been pretty well settled by the Fourteenth Amendment, which specifically provides that natural-born and naturalized Americans are citizens both of the United States and the state in which they reside.

Of course, none of this will prevent some people from following ignorant and discredited advice to their detriment.

Finally, I hope you aren't trusting any of the lawyers that you say found this tape convincing with any business of yours that you consider important!

33 posted on 06/18/2002 8:34:54 AM PDT by mdwakeup
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To: 1Old Pro
Thanks for the link. EVERYONE, check this out!

(BRUSHABER V. UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD, 240 U.S.)

"The 16th Amendment created no new power of taxation and did not change the constitutional limitations which forbid any direct taxation of individuals."

You see, we've been scammed by the State since 1913. Our federal government has been lying, deceiving, and stealing from its citizens for 89 years. However, the federal income tax is not unconstitutional because it is VOLUNTARY! If we want to voluntarily assess ourselves and voluntarily pay, the IRS will be glad to accept it.

You are only required to pay if:

1) You are a U.S. citizen with a foreign income.

2) You are a U.S. citizen with income source from a U.S. federal territory, such as Puerto Rico, Guam, Virgin Islands, or Washington D.C.

3) You are foreign alien living in the U.S. with a domestic income.

4) You are an employee of the federal government.

The key to unraveling the Tax Code is knowing and understanding the operative definition of the word, "SOURCE"! If you are a citizen of one of the 50 states with a domestic income, you do NOT have a SOURCE of income.

34 posted on 06/18/2002 8:35:44 AM PDT by BillofRights
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To: Mr. Bird
If someone comes to the US, they do not pay tax on income for the first seven years that they are here. If after seven years they are still here they must start paying income tax.
35 posted on 06/18/2002 8:39:28 AM PDT by LandofLincoln
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To: mdwakeup
Hey, don't worry about my $20, thank you! I'll proceed based on my own judgments, not yours. How do explain this?

(BRUSHABER V. UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD, 240 U.S.)

"The 16th Amendment created no new power of taxation and did not change the constitutional limitations which forbid any direct taxation of individuals."

Waiting for your explanation with much anticipation!

36 posted on 06/18/2002 8:43:24 AM PDT by BillofRights
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To: 1Old Pro
I wish him good luck and I will be watching in the wings.
37 posted on 06/18/2002 8:45:35 AM PDT by stevio
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To: 1Old Pro
The 16th Amendment was not legally ratified. It is not a law, and we pay our taxes because we are slaves submitting tribute to our masters.
38 posted on 06/18/2002 8:51:21 AM PDT by CyberSpartacus
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To: 1Old Pro
At least he's putting his money where his mouth is. Gotta respect him for that.
39 posted on 06/18/2002 8:53:48 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: BillofRights
Well, why don't we start with the fact that the quote you have posted is nowehere to be found in the Brushaber decision. I've searched it several times on several sources and can't find that statement anywhere.

Then, let's take a step back and look at why Brushaber is important. It's important because that was the Supreme Court decision that upheld the constitutionality of the federal income tax.

Gee whiz! Do you people believe everything you read?

40 posted on 06/18/2002 9:24:26 AM PDT by mdwakeup
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