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Atheists Protest Ground Zero Cross
WorldNetDaily ^ | Posted: June 18, 2002 | By Ron Strom

Posted on 06/18/2002 2:52:56 AM PDT by Bad~Rodeo

Decry plan to use symbol as part of 9-11 memorial

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The organization American Atheists is protesting a proposal to use a large steel cross found in the rubble of the World Trade Center in a memorial to victims of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Describing itself as a "nationwide movement which defends the civil rights of nonbelievers," the group said in a statement yesterday that use of the cross in a government-funded monument "would violate the separation of church and state, be insensitive to those victims who had no religious beliefs and would incredibly pay homage to religion – the prime motivating factor in the faith-based attack of Sept. 11."

The Lower Manhattan Development Corporation is the local agency in charge of planning for the rebuilding of the site.

Ed Malloy, president of the Building and Construction Trades Council and a board member of the agency, has asked that the cross be made a permanent part of any future memorial.

According to the New York Daily News, construction workers, firefighters, police officers and family members have held weekly Sunday services at the site of the cross since Sept. 11.

"We're hoping it will stay right where it is and become part of any permanent memorial," Malloy was quoted as saying in the Daily News.

Ellen Johnson, president of American Atheists objects to the possibility that the cross might be used in a taxpayer-supported project.

"This is an inappropriate use of taxpayer money," she said in the statement, "You can't take government funds to promote religion, especially sectarian religion in the form of a cross or any other religious symbol."

Johnson added that any memorial to the victims of the attacks "should bring Americans together, not divide them on the basis or religion or anything else."

Ron Barrier, national spokesman for the group, stressed that Muslims, Hindus and other non-Christians were killed in the attacks as well.

What about them? he asked. "Are we going to turn the site of the WTC into a religious shrine with competing religious slogans, symbols and displays? Any monument to the victims, and those who helped in the aftermath of Sept. 11 should be tasteful, as well as a unifying statement about America and humanity.

"Christian symbols are as inappropriate as a Muslim crescent or some other religious label," Barrier said.

Construction worker Frank Silecchia happened upon the perfectly symmetrical cross in the midst of the WTC wreckage just a few days after the attacks. It was standing straight, 20-feet high, surrounded by many smaller crosses.

"When I first saw it, it took my heart," Silecchia said. "It helped me heal the burden of my despair, and gave me closure on the whole catastrophe."

Said WorldNetDaily columnist Ann Coulter in an October column : "The cross at Ground Zero was not simply the cross beams remaining from an existing building. It was formed out of beams from Building One plunging, splitting and crashing into Building Six."

"There's no symmetry to anything down there," an FBI chaplain said at the time, "except those crosses."

Johnson said that her group would go to court if necessary to challenge the use of government money for the placement of any religious symbol at the WTC site.


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To: Bad~Rodeo
From the AMsterdam, NY RECORDER, Easter Sunday, 2002:

RESURRECTION AT GROUND ZERO
by Robert N. Going

We are, scripture tells us, the Children of Light, and it is hard to imagine a more fitting tribute to the victims of the World Trade Center Massacre than those twin towers of blue light now rising from the rubble, far, far past the old 110 floor earthly limit, rising higher, ever higher, seemingly to the ends of the universe itself.

This memorial is scheduled to last for thirty days. It should never be extinguished.

Nor should that other great symbol be removed, the Cross at Ground Zero.

I have written about the cross previously, back in November when I was working as a Red Cross volunteer at Respite Center One, how the rescue workers had found these crossed steel beams and raised it up over the site.

After I wrote that story, I actually met the man who found it. He was introduced to me by the Fire Department Chaplain, Father Brian Jordan, who celebrates Mass every Sunday at 10:30 in the shadow of the cross. Frank Silecchia is a huge, gentle man with hands three times the size of mine. Born in Brooklyn of a Jewish mother and a Roman Catholic father, he is a simple man with native eloquence and Faith to move mountains. We stood in the muck and mire midst the spirits of shattered dreams between the cross and the then-standing remains of the North Tower as he told me his tale.

Many of the buildings surrounding the World Trade Center had been crushed by the falling debris. In the hours and days following the massacre, rescue workers risked their own lives in the desperate hunt for survivors. This brought Frankie into one of those tottering shells, the Customs House, Building 6. Eventually he reached the basement, and there, in the center of the building, was a crater, and rising up out of the crater a steel cross, fully erect.

It was the morning of the third day. For twenty minutes he stood there, and wept.

It had been part of the North Tower, and as that structure came down, this cross had passed through the roof of the building, plummeted through floor after floor after floor, down, down, down until finally coming to rest where he found it.

"This is holy ground we are walking on," he told me. "All those people that died here, they're still here in a way. Don't you see?" and here he looked up to where the tower once stood. "Don't you see? Jesus was raised up on the cross, He died, and He descended to the dead. Then He gathered them up, and then," and now he turned to where his Cross stood witness, high over the widening pit, "then, Resurrection! And He rises and takes everyone with Him to the Father!"

Father Jordan, who was still with us, nodded, and it is hard to imagine a thousand volumes of theology and philosophy that could have explained things any better.

Understandably, if the Cross remains, some will object to such a prominent display of religion in a public place.

But if, on a crisp autumn day when the pipes play Amazing Grace and the drum sounds the Dead March, some widow or child or mom or dad glances up at that cross and thinks for but a moment, "I am the Resurrection and the Life," who among us should say them nay?

21 posted on 06/18/2002 5:29:08 AM PDT by Cincinnatus
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To: Cincinnatus
Where in the Constitution does it state that the US government is supposed to SUPPRESS religion?
22 posted on 06/18/2002 5:38:20 AM PDT by meenie
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To: Bad~Rodeo
Why can't we make these atheists AND the Christians happy? One one side, we'll put a cross and on the other side we'll put nothing. That way, each group's beliefs will be represented.
23 posted on 06/18/2002 5:38:45 AM PDT by cantfindagoodscreenname
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To: Cincinnatus
More Amsterdam, NY RECORDER, November, 2001, excerpt from "Report From Ground Zero", by Robert N. Going:

On Sundays in the midst of the muck and devastation, Catholic Mass is celebrated at Ground Zero, beneath an unusual icon. Discovered in the rubble, standing erect, rescue workers found a perfectly formed steel cross, and immediately rallied to it as a symbol of Hope. It stands at the front of the site in solemn defiance of all that is surrounding it. Many look upon it as a miracle.

That is ridiculous, of course. This can be no more an act of God than the '69 Mets. Both towers and the other destroyed structures had steel frames and doubtless thousands of such right-angle joints as might form what looks to us to be a cross.

But symbols, which are all man-made, can nonetheless be powerful. What is the Liberty Bell other than an old decrepit piece of junk, or the tattered flag of Fort McHenry that we spend millions to preserve, or that Lady in the Harbor? But does not each in turn stir something in the soul to awaken a patriot's heart?

For the Christian, the Cross is the ultimate symbol of triumph over Evil and Death. Secularly, when used by the Red Cross it becomes a symbol of Hope and Healing. Our long tradition of burying the dead under crosses goes beyond the principles of the Christian religion. True, there have been times when the cross has been usurped for ignoble causes, but here at the Gates of Hell there can be no doubt of its purpose.

24 posted on 06/18/2002 5:38:52 AM PDT by Cincinnatus
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To: capt. norm
You are correct. They are enemies of the cross.
25 posted on 06/18/2002 5:52:49 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Bad~Rodeo
Useful idiots...things are pretty much back to normal now.
26 posted on 06/18/2002 5:55:12 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus
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To: Incorrigible
Why people are so intent on taking away a symbol so meaningful to most of those who work at the site and presumably, to those who died there, is beyond me.

Amen! How many of these "offended" atheists worked at ground zero or are firefighters, police, or EMT's? I'll bet none of them are. IMHO, they can shut up.

27 posted on 06/18/2002 5:57:44 AM PDT by ELS
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To: Bad~Rodeo
Christians believe in God and got a cross: the Atheists believe in no God and have the ENTIRE REST of the area with NO crosses!!!
We should be complaining about that!
28 posted on 06/18/2002 5:59:37 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: Elsie
Great minds think alike! See my post #23. LOL
29 posted on 06/18/2002 6:02:03 AM PDT by cantfindagoodscreenname
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To: eddie willers
I am an non-believing agnostic and I hate these radical atheists.

I'm 100% with you on this sentiment. Furthermore, I don't pretend that it's any of my business what they do with the WTC site. Sell it to a church and let them put the cross on their new building if that's what the rightful owner of the property wants.

30 posted on 06/18/2002 6:03:33 AM PDT by Equality 7-2521
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To: Bad~Rodeo
"This is an inappropriate use of taxpayer money," she said in the statement,

She must be talking about her junk lawsuit. (If it hasn't been filed yet, it will.)

31 posted on 06/18/2002 6:05:24 AM PDT by StriperSniper
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To: steve-b
No offense, but did you stand in the pit next to the cross? I did. It is not an undamaged joint remnant. At least that's what the iron workers next to me said. I don't profess to know how it formed, but I will take the word of the iron workers who touched it over your opinion.

Those of us who saw it in its setting were all awed by it. It forces emotional silence and spiritual solace.

32 posted on 06/18/2002 6:06:30 AM PDT by wtc911
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To: Cincinnatus
"It stands at the front of the site in solemn defiance of all that is surrounding it"

God will not be silenced by the small minded and the insignificant. He will always provide His message of love and salvation over and above any of the noise such people can make.

All Honor and Glory are His, now and forever.

33 posted on 06/18/2002 6:09:13 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: Bad~Rodeo
If these pathetic bastards don't want to believe, then they don't have to see the cross as a symbol, but merely an architectural construct...but they have no right to interfere with our faith!

What part of "Freedom of Religion" don't these assholes understand?

34 posted on 06/18/2002 6:09:40 AM PDT by Redleg Duke
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To: Incorrigible
"Why people are so intent on taking away a symbol so meaningful to most of those who work at the site and presumably, to those who died there, is beyond me."

Maybe because their own lives are so empty of anything meaningful that they resent those who have found hope and faith in a world gone mad.

35 posted on 06/18/2002 6:13:46 AM PDT by Redleg Duke
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To: Bad~Rodeo
"would violate the separation of church and state, be insensitive to those victims who had no religious beliefs and would incredibly pay homage to religion – the prime motivating factor in the faith-based attack of Sept. 11."

If I hear that phrase "...violates the separation of church and state..." one more time I'm going to lose it!
But anyway, that "homage to religion" remark got to me. Islam, IMHO, is NOT a religion. It is a cult which preaches intimidation and murder of the non-believers, i.e., us infidels. It has nothing to do with religion.

36 posted on 06/18/2002 6:16:16 AM PDT by mc5cents
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To: steve-b
The cross beams are obviously formed by an original joint that remained in place.

Anybody got a good picture of it?

37 posted on 06/18/2002 6:19:04 AM PDT by Sloth
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To: Greeklawyer
How can you have freedom to believe whatever you wish unless others have the freedom to not believe at all?
38 posted on 06/18/2002 6:26:14 AM PDT by flyervet
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To: wtc911; All
Anybody got a picture of this cross to post?
39 posted on 06/18/2002 6:37:28 AM PDT by Boxsford
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To: Bad~Rodeo
That's fair: God doesn't believe in atheists either (think about it for a sec).
40 posted on 06/18/2002 6:38:01 AM PDT by alancarp
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