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Poll: Criticizing Bush Hurts Democrats
foxnews.com ^ | June 14, 2002 | Carl Cameron

Posted on 06/16/2002 7:01:11 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:33:59 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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KEYWORDS: criticizingbush; democrats; hurts; poll
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1 posted on 06/16/2002 7:01:11 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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We know the demorat demokrats live for polls...LOL!!!
2 posted on 06/16/2002 7:03:02 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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Hitlery will put this in her witches brew and choke on it.
3 posted on 06/16/2002 7:08:59 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
The Democrats aren't all that excited to vote in the fall. If even half of Democrats support the president, turnout will be hurt significantly-- just like it was for the GOP in 1998 when Clintoon had a 66% job approval (and many Republicans liked the job he was doing).
4 posted on 06/16/2002 7:12:26 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Democrats have to have someone to hate. They cannot manage politically without it. It began with Marx and the bourgeousie and as time went on it got more personal, until we saw the spectacle of Reagan, Newt, Ken Starr, John Ashcroft, etc., etc. They don't even know who they're hating or why, sometimes.

Now we are at a point where every disagreement in politics is a personal one. This is what turned many people off to the impeachment hearings. They thought Republicans were doing the same thing. Republicans are much less adept at personal smears and even when they slip into such, they make it clear that it's the ideology that they hate more (re: Hillary).

This behavior for Democrats makes sense, though. Personal demonization brings $$$ into the campaign coffers. Unfortunately, it doesn't resonate with the public.

The Democratic party faithful is to the left of the electorate, but their donors are far, far to the left of the faithful.

The Democrats would be wiser to either ignore Bush or (like Max Baucus!) run with him.

5 posted on 06/16/2002 7:14:48 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Democratic criticism of the president's homeland security plans only harms the Democrats.

The chickens are coming home to roost for the Dems.

For a couple of generations now they've been beating this drum and chanting this mantra, "The government is here to provide security for you. That's our job. Trust us."

So now that a REAL security threat is here--one that the Constitution actually allows the government to address--they're trying to tell these same sheeple that "the government shouldn't be doing this."

It just won't wash, and even sheeple can smell a rat.

6 posted on 06/16/2002 7:17:03 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Actually, Hillary! has been one of the FEW Dems that have pretty much left the President alone. Go figure.
7 posted on 06/16/2002 7:18:51 AM PDT by Illbay
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Left him alone? She was the first to scream like a melting witch about Enron... she tried to be a fake media queen of 9/11, she accused Bush of 'knowledge of 9/11' beforehand, and she demanded publically he tell. She only cared about the gays killed,hurt,effected on 9/11-and let it loose in a guise only she cared.....blah blah blah...

So whats you talking bout,Willis?

8 posted on 06/16/2002 7:26:11 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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#5 and #6 - good stuff - so on.
9 posted on 06/16/2002 7:26:46 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Illbay
Actually, Hillary! has been one of the FEW Dems that have pretty much left the President alone. Go figure.

I must respectfully disagree with you. Hillary is like a coiled snake. She saw an opening to strike at President Bush with her "Bush Knew" NYPost waving theatrics last month. She was almost giddy with her "concern" for her constituents, and demanded answers. When this backfired, big time, she backed off, and slinked away. She is a consumate politician who will patiently wait for the next opportunity to sink her venomous fangs into the President.
10 posted on 06/16/2002 7:32:40 AM PDT by baseballmom
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!;howlin;rintense
So this is the "Conservatives" plan!! AHA!
11 posted on 06/16/2002 7:49:18 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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Uhhhhhhhhhhh.... no, this is the democrats losing at their leftist games.
12 posted on 06/16/2002 8:12:00 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
For most of the 8 years from 1993 through 2000 the Democrats and their lackeys in the media spent huge amounts of time and energy convincing the public that people who criticize a president are mean spirited, anti American, and evil bigots.

They only forgot one thing. They forgot to tell the American people that only applied to Bill Clinton. So Dubya is benefiting from the Clinton rules.

They made new rules for Clinton. It took years. It will take years to tear them down.

They fixed it so Bill Clinton who should have had an approval rating of 40 had a rating of 55. They have also to their consternation fixed it so Dubya you should have an approval rationg of 55 has a about a 70.

They fixed it so attacking a president for any reason is a very bad thing to do.

What part of the Clinton srategy that made Dubya invulnerable, do you think the Demcorats like best?


13 posted on 06/16/2002 8:20:58 AM PDT by Common Tator
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To: baseballmom
She is a consumate politician who will patiently wait for the next opportunity to sink her venomous fangs into the President.

You are exactly right about that.........


14 posted on 06/16/2002 8:25:05 AM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: AmishDude
The Democratic party faithful is to the left of the electorate, but their donors are far, far to the left of the faithful.

Their donors -- global corporations -- do business with the statists and authoritarians of the world. Indirectly, it is these global statists and authoritarians who control the party.

15 posted on 06/16/2002 8:51:33 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
But among independent voters, often key to any election, the president gets a 71 percent approval rating. And when it comes to winning over the crucial undecided vote, Bush has a stunning 70 percent approval rating

It has been well over 50 years since any party has had a majority. Since 1944 no party has had more than about 40 percent of the voters. Today it about even one third are Democrats, one third are Repubulicans, and one third are independents. To take control of government a party and its candidates must get their base and over half the independants. Any candidate or party in a two way race that gets less than half the independents will be defeated.

Thus to control the house senate and to be able to select supreme court judges a President and his party must get over half the independents. It escapes many people that if the independents were attracted to the left's positions,they would be leftists. It escapes nearly all the right that if the center was attracted tot he rights positions they would be conservatives.

The independents are neither left or right. They are(GASP) centerist. To attract the center a party and a candidate must paint the other party for what they are. They must paint themselves as being pretty centerist. When Republicans can paint Democrats as lefists and paint themselves as nearly centerist, they win. It is the only time they ever win. The only time teh Democrats win is when they do the same. Can you say "Bill Clinton is a NEW DEMOCRAT?" Golly Gee why did that liberal do that? Once a party has the center and is safely in office it can and always does move the nation in their political direction.

To move the nation to the left or right, one has to go through the center.

Thus Daschles strategy from the day he took over was to force Bush to move to the right. If bush bent to his base on CFR or the farm bill or lots of other issues Bush and the Republicans would be painted to the right. Then Daschle and company would get painted centerist for pushing centerist issues. The resulting Democrat victory could dictate the Supreme Court and other justics, and get a lot of what they want done. Once Dubya started down that disasterous road they could very well drive him far enough right to cost him 2004. It did not work. Bush turned it on them. He owns the Center and the left is screwed. That Democratic strategy has indeed backfired. It seems like that Bush and the Republicans can hold an unpresidented portion of the center and even some Democrats.

That leaves the Democrats with just one strategy left. That is try to use bush's success with the center to cost him the right. That is a strategy that Democrats and the media have always used with great success. The Democrats have always understood that they have zero chance to change the nation with out the center. So when Bill Clinton ended welfare as the left had loved it, they understood why it had to be done. For if they had cost Bill the Center, then they would have lost it all.

For once we have a president that understands how the system works. Going for the center costs some of the base. But if done right you can pick up far more center than the part of the base that is lost.

Gore did not understand that in 2000. It cost him the presidency. Bush understands it quite well. They right wing philosophy at all cost people have no clout with Dubya. If Bush pulls it off and it looks very much like he will, the defeatist right and the Daschle left will be equally defeated. That is the best news for Republicans since 1924.

16 posted on 06/16/2002 8:52:51 AM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Common Tator
They made new rules for Clinton. It took years. It will take years to tear them down. They fixed it so Bill Clinton who should have had an approval rating of 40 had a rating of 55. They have also to their consternation fixed it so Dubya you should have an approval rationg of 55 has a about a 70.

Ironic...

17 posted on 06/16/2002 8:54:30 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Criticizing Bush Hurts Democrats

No, my comment which i know some on fr got, was to say that the plan of some "conservatives" on FR is to hurt the Democrats by trashing Bush. At least, let's hope that's their plan.

18 posted on 06/16/2002 9:12:00 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Common Tator
That leaves the Democrats with just one strategy left. That is try to use bush's success with the center to cost him the right. That is a strategy that Democrats and the media have always used with great success.

IMO, that is why you see some rightwing posts here at FreeRepublic that are based more on propaganda slogans and mind control than on actual Constitutional principle and critical thought. These posts appear to originate from the playbooks of the left -- they try to elicit emotion over reason from our FR patriots.

It sure makes it hard to hold Bushs feet to the Constitutional fire when it is the left with their deceptive slogans that attempts to lead the charge.

19 posted on 06/16/2002 9:13:44 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Common Tator
Yes that is true. The major difference is that Clinton's Job Approval rating was based on the economy and that only. When they took personal approval ratings of the man himself it was in the tank as I remember somewhere below 40% or low 40s.

W has personal approval equal to his job approval and that will tell the tale. Americans trust this president. The RATS only way to bring his numbers down is to sow seeds of doubt and untrustworthiness.

Look at the stock market and they can say, "See the markets don't trust Bush," or "Bush does not know what he is doing with the economy."

American people got smart to Slick and that is why Gore was defeated. Yeah the economy was all right but Clinton was a skank and Gore was his accomplice.

20 posted on 06/16/2002 9:22:52 AM PDT by lone star annie
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