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1 posted on 06/13/2002 3:17:42 PM PDT by vannrox
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MISCONCEPTION #1: Muslims are violent, terrorists and/or extremists.

This is the biggest misconception in Islam, no doubt resulting from the constant stereotyping and bashing the media gives Islam.

Oh, right. It wouldn't be resulting from anything that Muslims are actually DOING...

2 posted on 06/13/2002 3:22:50 PM PDT by PianoMan
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"If they seek peace, then seek you peace. And trust in God for He is the One that heareth and knoweth all things." (Quran 8:61)

Then please explain why the Islamists continuall bomb Israeli citizens? They have wanted peace for 50+ years.

3 posted on 06/13/2002 3:24:23 PM PDT by SunStar
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PING - You see this?
4 posted on 06/13/2002 3:25:42 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777
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Bonus points for the Farrakhan info - but maybe you can hyperlink most of this text?
5 posted on 06/13/2002 3:26:16 PM PDT by Shermy
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One Misconception About Americans

That they're all waiting breathlessly to hear the next line of whining excuse-making and blame-shifting and you-just-don't-understand-ing from Islamic apologists.

Dan

6 posted on 06/13/2002 3:26:36 PM PDT by BibChr
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You have been as busy as a beaver here this afternoon. But we will judge men by their deeds and NOT by their words alone.

Peace to you.

7 posted on 06/13/2002 3:26:55 PM PDT by Xphantasos
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How about Allah's three daughters, dammit?
8 posted on 06/13/2002 3:27:02 PM PDT by Post Toasties
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To: exmarine;rebelsoldier;Big Guy and Rusty 99
Ping
9 posted on 06/13/2002 3:27:18 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777
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51. O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

9.30 The Jews call Ùzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

10 posted on 06/13/2002 3:34:58 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777
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what a waste of perfectly good bandwidth.
11 posted on 06/13/2002 3:36:45 PM PDT by skeeter
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Faith Freedom International

An organization created by mostly ex-Muslims to educate
Muslims and others about the "real" Islam.
We are against Hate, not anyone's Faith.

12 posted on 06/13/2002 3:38:36 PM PDT by Iwentsouth
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You forgot the BARF ALERT!!
13 posted on 06/13/2002 3:40:38 PM PDT by tutstar
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MISCONCEPTION #3:…However, it should be noted that God in Islam is One and Only. He, the Exalted, does not get tired, does not have a son ie Jesus

MISCONCEPTION #10: Muslims don't believe in Jesus or any other prophets. Muslims respect and revere Jesus, upon him be peace, and await his Second Coming. They consider him one of the greatest of God's messengers to mankind. A Muslim never refers to him simply as 'Jesus', but always adds the phrase 'upon him be peace' (abbreviated as (u) here). The Quran confirms his virgin birth

No wonder Muslims are so confused! They claim “Allah” does not have a son, i.e Jesus, but then claim Jesus was “one of the greatest of God’s messengers”.

Jesus said, “No one comes to the Father but through me.” Jesus said HE WAS the Son of God. Jesus was a Jew. If a Muslim converts to Judism or Christianity, they get a death sentence. So much for revering Jesus, the religion he came from and the religion he started.

Are all Muslims this utterly confused??!!

14 posted on 06/13/2002 3:42:20 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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While Muhammad lived in Medina he grew in power. There were a number of Jews that oppossed Muhammad. Several of these Jews were ordered to be murdered by Muhammad. One of them was Kab Ashraf. This post deals with Kab's murder and the murder of the Jews of Banu Qurayz..

In Yathrib, Muhammad began to experience opposition by the Jewish tribes living nearby. For the most part, they rejected his message and Islam. The Jews had several treaties with Muhammad, but that did not mean they were on good terms. One of the Jews, Kab Ashraf, vocally supported the Meccans, (Quraysh) against Muhammad. He let it be known that he believed that Muhammad was a phoney, not a prophet at all.

Kab was a Jew. He rejected the fake claims of Muhammad that he was a prophet of God. . Kab never lifted a weapon against Muhammad or any Muslim, he only voiced his opinion against Muhammad, and made up some unsavory poems about Muslim women. Muhammad saw him as a threat, and therefore had him murdered in the night.

The Jews around Medina were not under Muhammad's rule; they had only entered into a treaty with the muslims. Muhammad did not have legal right to murder Kab, Muhammad took it upon himself to rid himself of a man who hated him.

It's understandable for a Mafia chieftain to commit such crimes, but not understandable for a man who claims to be a prophet of a righteous God, and implies that it is God's will that the murder be committed. David, the king of Israel also had a man killed - Uriah, but David never said it was the will of God, and when confronted with his sin, David repented. Muhammad never repented for his crimes.

DETAILS: THE MURDER OF KAB AL-ASHRAF

Let's start with Kab al-Ashraf. From Bukhari vol 5 #369: [Note, this is a very long Hadith. Also note the actual killer in this Hadith is another man named Muhammad bin Maslama. I have referred to him as Maslama.]

QUOTE FROM BUKHARI VOLUME 5, #369

"Narrated Jabir Abdullah: "Allah's messenger said "Who is willing to kill Ka'b al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His apostle?" Thereupon Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's messenger! Would you like that I kill him?" The prophet said, "Yes". Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Ka'b). The prophet said, "You may say it."

Maslama went to Ka'b and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad) demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) [taxes] from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Ka'b said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!" Maslama said, "Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food." Ka'b said, "Yes, but you should mortgage something to me." Maslama and his companion said, What do you want?" Ka'b replied, "Mortgage your women to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our women to you and you are the most handsome of the Arabs?" Ka'b said, "Then mortgage your sons to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our sons to you? Later they would be abused by the people's saying that so and so has been mortgaged for a camel load of food. That would cause us great disgrace, but we will mortgage our arms to you."

Maslama and his companion promised Ka'b that Maslama would return to him. He came to Ka'b at night along with Ka'b's foster brother, Abu Naila. Ka'b invited them to come into his fort and then he went down to them. His wife asked him, "Where are you going at this time?" Ka'b replied, None but Maslama and my (foster) brother Abu Naila have come." His wife said, "I hear a voice as if blood is dropping from him." Ka'b said, "They are none by my brother Maslama and my foster brother Abu Naila. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed.

Maslama went with two men. So Maslama went in together with two men, and said to them, "When Ka'b comes, I will touch his hair and smell it, and when you see that I have got hold of his head, strike him. I will let you smell his head."

Ka'b Ashraf came down to them wrapped in his clothes, and diffusing perfume. Maslama said, "I have never smelt a better scent than this." Ka'b replied, "I have got the best Arab women who know how to use the high class of perfume." Maslama requested Ka'b "Will you allow me to smell your head?" Ka'b said "yes." Maslama smelt it and made his companions smell it as well. Then he requested Ka'b again, "Will you let me (smell your head)?" Ka'b said "Yes". When Maslama got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions) "Get at him!" So they killed him and went to the prophet and informed him."

END OF QUOTE

Note here that:

1) Muhammad wanted this man killed because he had "Hurt Allah and His apostle!". Now then, how does a man hurt Allah?

2) Muhammad got someone else to do his dirty work. Muhammad did not partake in killing the man who was hurting Allah, and himself.

3) Muhammad allowed Maslama to lie to draw Ka'b out of his home.

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Now we will examine other source references to this event.

From the Sirat, page 365. The background to his murder is that after the battle of Badr, Ka'b Ashraf was horrified by Muhammad's victory, and the death of certain Arab leaders. I'll start with Kab's quote expressing his surprise at the Muslim victory.

QUOTE FROM THE SIRAT RASULALLAH

""Is this true? Did Muhammad actually kill these whom these two men mention? These are the nobles of the Arabs and kingly men; by God, if Muhammad has slain these people were better to be dead than alive." When the enemy of god became certain that the news was true he left the town and went to Mecca to stay with al-Muttalib who was married to Atika. She took him in and entertained him hospitably. He began to inveigh against the apostle and to recite verses in which he bewailed the Quraysh who were thrown into the pit after having been slain at Badr."

The Sirat now lists some of the poems made up by Ka'b and others. The narrative continues:

"Then he composed amatory verses of an insulting nature about the Muslim women. The apostle said - according to what Abdullah Burda told me, "Who will rid me of Ashraf?" Maslama said, "I will deal with him for you, O apostle of God, I will kill him." He said, "Do so if you can." So Maslama returned and waited for three days without food or drink, apart from what was absolutely necessary. When the apostle was told of this he summoned him and asked him why he had given up eating and drinking. He replied that he had given him an undertaking and he did not know whether he could fulfill it. The apostle said, "All that is incumbent upon you is that you should try." He said, "O apostle of god, we shall have to tell lies." He answered, "Say what you like, for you are free in the matter."

Thereupon he and Silkan [Abu Naila], and Abbad, and Harith, and Abu Abs Jabr conspired together and sent Silkan to the enemy of God, Ka'b, before they came to him. He talked to him some time and they recited poetry one to the other, for Silkan was fond of poetry. Then he said, O Ibn Ashraf, I have come to you about a matter which I want to tell you of and wish you to keep secret." "Very well", he replied. He went on , "The coming of this man is a great trial to us. It has provoked , that the things I warned you of would happen." Silkan said to him, 'I want you to sell us food and we will give you a pledge of security and you deal generously in the matter." He replied, "Will you give me your sons as a pledge?" He said, "You want to insult us. I have friends who share my opinion and I want to bring them to you so that you many sell to them and act generously, and we will give you enough weapons for a good pledge." Silkan's object was that he should not take alarm at the sight of weapons when they brought them. Ka'b answered, "Weapons are a good pledge."

Thereupon Silkan returned to his companions, told them what has happened, and ordered them to take their arms. Then they went away and assembled with him and met the apostle."

Thaur told me the apostle walked with them as far as Gharqad. Then he sent them off, saying, "Go in God's name; O God help them." So saying, he returned to his house. Now it was a moonlight night and they journeyed on until they came to his castle, and Abu Naila called out to him. He had only recently married and he jumped up in the bedsheet, and his wife took hold of the end of it and said, "You are at war, and those who are at war do not go out at this hour." He replied, "It is Abu Naila. Had he found me sleeping he would not have woken me." She answered, "by god, I can feel evil in his voice." Ka'b answered, "Even if the call were for a stab a brave man must answer it."

So he went down and talked to them for some time, while they conversed with him. then Abu Naila said, "Would you like to walk with us to Shib al-ajmuz, so that we can talk for the rest of the night?" "If you like", he answered, so they went off walking together; and after a time Abu Naila ran his hand through his hair. Then he smelt his hand, and said, "I have never smelt a scent finer than this." They walked on farther and he did the same so that Ka'b suspected no evil. Then after a space did it for the third time and cried, "Smite the enemy of God!" So they smote him, and their swords clashed over him with no effect. Maslama said, "I remembered my dagger when I saw that our swords were useless, and I seized it. Meanwhile the enemy of god had made such a noise that every fort around us was showing a light. I thrust it into the lower part of his body, then I bore down upon it until I reached his genitals, and the enemy of God fell to the ground.

Harith had been hurt, being wounded either in his head or in his foot, one of our swords having stuck him. We went away, passing by the Umayya and then the Qurayza and then both until we went up the Harra of Urayd. Our friend Harith had lagged behind, weakened by loss of blood, so we waited for him for some time until he came up, following our tracks. We carried him and brought him to the apostle OT the end of the night. We saluted him as he stood praying, and he came out to us and we told him that we had killed god's enemy. He spat upon our comrade's wounds, and both he ad we returned to our families. Our attack upon god'/s enemy cast terror among the Jews, and there was no Jew in Median who did not fear for his life.

END OF QUOTE OF THE SIRAT RASULALLAH

Ibn Sa'd adds another interesting feature to this story.

From Ibn Sa'd, vol 1, page 37:

"Then they cut his head and took it with them. ..... they cast his head before him [Muhammad]. He (the prophet) praised Allah on his being slain."

Note what really happened here. Ka'b encouraged Muhammad's enemies, and made up some poems about Muslim women. Muhammad didn't like it, and had him murdered. After they kill Ka'b, they behead him and bring his head to Muhammad. When Muhammad sees his head, Muhammad praises God for Ka'b being slain!

1) What does this say for society, i.e., that a man can murder one that only vocally opposes him?

2) Did Muhammad abide by the treaty he signed with the Jews?

3) What does this say for true law? If Kab were a real criminal, couldn't Muhammad have dealt with him according to the local law or treaty he signed with the Jews?

4) What are the implications for Islamic society? In effect, can Muslims murder in the night those who oppose them or Islam? At that time, the Islamic state did not rule over all Medina.

5) What does this say about the real character of Muhammad?

All in all, we see a cold blooded murder take place. Muhammad took things into his own hands, and murdered a man who verbally opposed him. This was a brutal murder. A man was tricked by his friends into coming out to help them. Once out, they murdered him.

Once again, when Muhammad was confronted with a challenge, he dealt with it in a violent fashion. When he lived in Mecca, prior to his flight to Medina, Muhammad was weak and unable to use force to obtain his wants. But after he gained power, he used it to his own advantage, to accomplish his desires. He had become a law unto himself.

This is not the work or actions of a real prophet.

Banu Qurayz. How Muhammad murdered all the male Jews of Banu Qurayz

2) Muhammad slaughtered all the male Jews of Banu Qurayz even though they had surrendered to him. He then sold their wives and children as slaves. The following description is from Ibn Ishaq’s 1955 " The Life of Muhammad" Page 464. It was a translation of the first book on Muhammad" Sirat Rasul Allah".

"Then the Banu Quryza surrendered and the Messenger of Allah confined them in the compound of Bint al-Harith, a woman of Banu al-Najjar.

The Messenger went out to the market of Medina, which is still the market today, and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches.

Among them was the enemy of Allah,Huyayy ibn Aktab and Ka’b ibn Asas, their chief. There 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900.

As they were being taken out in batches to the Apostle, they asked Ka’b what he would be done to them. He replied" Will you never understand? Don’t you see that the summoner never stops and the those who are taken away will never return? By God, it is death."

This went on until the Messenger of Allah made an end to all the males.

The Messenger of Allah then sold all the women and children of the slain (EXCEPT THOSE HE WISHED TO KEEP AS CONCUBINES FOR HIMSELF AND HIS FOLLOWERS-hazrat)."

16 posted on 06/13/2002 3:44:12 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777
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NOWHERE DOES ISLAM ENJOIN THE KILLING OF INNOCENTS..

Are infidels Innocents?

18 posted on 06/13/2002 3:45:09 PM PDT by Mike Darancette
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"MISCONCEPTION #3: Muslims worship a different God. Allah is simply the Arabic word for God. Allah for Muslims is the greatest and most inclusive of the Names of God, it is an Arabic word of rich meaning, denoting the one and only God and ascribing no partners to Him. It is exactly the same word which the Jews, in Hebrew, use for God (eloh), the word which Jesus Christ used in Aramaic when he prayed to God. God has an identical name in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam; Allah is the same God worshiped by Muslims, Christians and Jews. Muslims believe that Allah's sovereignty is to be acknowledged in worship and in the pledge to obey His teaching and commandments, conveyed through His messengers and prophets who were sent at various times and in many places throughout history. However, it should be noted that God in Islam is One and Only. He, the Exalted, does not get tired, does not have a son ie Jesus ---etc... etc...>

This stuff is hogwash!

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19 posted on 06/13/2002 3:46:46 PM PDT by Retiredforever
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MISCONCEPTION #11: Islam is a religion of peace.
21 posted on 06/13/2002 3:49:25 PM PDT by ItsBacon
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I'm sorry muslim/islam faithfuls have been rapeing, pillaging and murdering in the name of their god, who is a false god which the bible clearly warns us about, for centuries.

They also are fond of destroying christian holy sites(and jewish) to build they're mosque over top of them. This piece is propaganda. Trust us while we blow you to smitherens.

23 posted on 06/13/2002 3:54:15 PM PDT by exnavy
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Question 16 "Does Islam tolerate other beliefs?"

The Quran says: God forbids you not, with regards to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them; for God loveth those who are just. (Quran, 60.8) It is one function of Islamic law to protect the privileged status of minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many examples of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph Omar entered Jerusalem in the year 634, Islam granted freedom of worship to all religious communities in the city.


I guess the folks who served in Desert Storm were just confused about having a Bible available to them in Saudi Arabia...........
25 posted on 06/13/2002 3:54:44 PM PDT by Elsie
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One question was left un-asked. "What about Wahabism?" Other questions relating to this come to mind. "What is the Wahabist sect of Islam?" "Is Wahabism a legitimate sect, or a distortion... to be condemmed?" "Is terrorism and it's identification with Islam a result of the preaching of the Wahabist sect?" "What about militant Shiite Islam?" "Can Wahabist sect members, and those with similar creeds, cause a worldwide war between Islam and the West?" "Is the government of Saudi Arabia facilitating the spreading of Wahabism across the Islamic world?" "Should Muslim clerics condemn Wahabism and State Terrorism, as practiced by Muslim states such as Iran?" And finally, "Isn't this what is really the problem, and what we are talking about in the first place,... and not American intolerance for Islamic people?"
26 posted on 06/13/2002 3:54:47 PM PDT by Richard Axtell
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