Posted on 06/13/2002 5:50:36 AM PDT by SJackson
All the children of the world.....
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"Suffer the little children to come unto me, for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven."--Jesus
"Let the little children suffer, and come unto me. Nothing's more important than establishing and fortifying somekind of Islamic Kingdom."--"Allah"
I would have more confidence in this article, had the writer been American. The Brits are notorious for their over-sensitivity to this whole "combat is damaging to the survivors" thing. This is the same mindset being displayed by the Canadians hesitation over our awarding medals to their snipers who served so effectively in the Afgan war.
I was just wondering, is this the Peter Singer, Bioethics Chair of Princeton University?
You know, the guy who rationalizes infanticide as just being a late-late term abortion?
The guy who thinks it should be A-OK to snuff your own kiddies up until their second birthday?
Just wonderin'
Koran, 6:151Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
Psalm 137:9We could play this all day.
Precisely. The VC would remove the weapons, leave the bodies, and you'd have an instant atrocity on your hands. People who cannot comprehend what sent Lt. William Calley over the edge probably don't understand this.
I heard this on NPR, I don't like NPR, but listen to it while getting ready for work. I have sent them nasty emails more than once on their biased reporting all to no avail I presume.
Koran, 6:151
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
Psalm 137:9
We could play this all day.
That is the post that you Quila sent to Savage Beast.
Hmmmm! After reading yor post i had to go and take a look for myself (i have copies of both the Bible and the Koran). Actually the main impetus was to see whether the verse you 'quoted' from the bible was actually there.
And the interesting thing was this: It was there!
However, i went ONE STEP FURTHER than you did and read the WHOLE of chapter 137!
And the thing is that what you posted was entirery out of context. You just selected one choice verse, and without posting the 8 verses before verse 9 just went ahead and posted it, in such a manner as to insinuate the book of Psalms was advocating 'dashing your little kids against the stones!' (And even if you were not trying to imply that the way the post was construed pointed towards that implication in a rather overt manner).
Anyway i rarely get into religious threads because it is my experience that the two opposing groups have set up their minds on the matter, and trying to convince them otherwise will only lead to acerbic language and brusque posts! However i just could not let this one pass since what i saw in your post was someone taking a choice verse, and applying it in his (or her) post in such a manner that at first glance it seems to imply something totally nefarious.
If you really wanted to 'read' something from any book,whether it be the Bhavad Gita, the Bible, the Koran, or maybe even a Nancy Drew paperback or Harry Potter; it is really simple to come up with your own meaning. All you need to do is take one morsel from the text, and then apply it to a particular situation in the way you want it to be read! I could take my WallStreet Journal, and give you the same copy....and we could both read the same article on Negotiable Securities; and YET come up with two totally different interpretations based on how 'we want to see things!'
However the most important test is to look at how the adherents of the two faiths act!
In Christianity today you can find groups of horrible people trying to use the word of God to make people do bad things,and you can also find some atrocities done against children (eg the pedophile priests) and women! In Islam you can also find groups of demagogic leaders who have their adherents commit bad stuff, and are bad against their women and stuff!
However this is the difference: In CHRISTIANITY it is a FRINGE effect, relatively few people do this, very very few!
In ISLAM however it is not a fringe effect but is actually rather WIDESPREAD!
Whether you claim the religion has been 'hijacked' or not the fact still remains that Islam causes a lot of pain and hurt, going as far as death even, around the world. The suicide killers who go and blow up semtex with imbedded 6 inch nails in an area filled with little kids are not Buddhist...they are Moslem! The people in Pakistan and Bangladesh who set up laws that punish women for being raped (as if its their fault) are not members of the Tendikyo cult.....they are Moslems! The sharia laws of countries as diverse as Saudi Arabia and Nigeria that are totally atrocious, banning everything from women driving (why?) to travelling without a male companion were not established by Baptist Christians.....they were set by Moslems! The Afghani dictums during the time of the Taliban that prohibited things like females laughing (because it was unclean in the eys of some 'prophet') were not Hindus....they were Moslem! During the Iran revolution, as well as in Lebanon, the Imams who were giving children plastic keys and telling them to go on suicide missions with the keys being to 'grant passage to heaven' were not Jewish....they were moslem! And the faith of Osama, who in 1998 said that killing innocent Kenyans (over 200 Kenyans were killed and thousands injured in the Nairobi Embassy bombings...which by the way killed 9 Americans) was alright just to get that Embassy was not Sikh, nor Hindu, nor Christian, nor Taoist.....it was MOSLEM!
Hence based on its acts and behaviors (and you could even remove the more 'extreme' characters like UBL and the results would still be the same) you cannot compare Islam with Christianity! I have been in several nations, and have been acquanted with several Islamic families. In one men would walk from street into the houses of complete strangers, and demand food from the women who were there (and toss the food on the floor when they were finished, and the women had no choice but to comply). Another case was when a dad wanted to slaughter his daughter because she had not wanted to marry the man of his choice (his words was 'he would skin her like a goat!). Yet another case was when this lady, who had been independent and carefree, now had to drop out of school(college), dress conservatively (by force), and stop working. Another case is this girl who had just converted (why i do not know) had to marry somene she had not known longer than a week (she had to marry him because he told her too.
By the way the last two happened in the US.
Anyway the fundamental core of the post was just to say that if one is going to quote from the Bible (or any other manuscript, book or tome) one has to ensure he(she) quotes the whole passage, or doesn't quote it at all (especially if the intention is to 'spin' the meaning).
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