Posted on 06/11/2002 9:15:40 AM PDT by TankerKC
I encourage everyone to pick up that book and read it. Then apply all of that knowledge to the World Trade Center attack. You will see that there were some key players who were involved in both attacks. Mohammed Atta stayed at the same hotel as McVeigh, around the same time. It's creepy. It will make you question a lot of things.
More than amazing.
What hotel was that? Can you provide links? Thanks!
Looks like you both have the same eye-doctor.
I'll go with someone who brings a more sharply trained perception to the situation.
I have a degree in art and had to learn how to sketch faces. You learn to look for similarities in faces. These are the exact same eyebrows. The only differences are the nose is slightly turned up on John Doe-- and not turned up on Pedilla. Mouths are identical. Jaws are different on the two faces, but that could be just an error by the sketcher or the witness. The eye on the right and the brow are identical. The ears are identical. Cheeks, chin, foreheads are identical. Eerie! Stephen Jones said there were others involved, and just what was in the boxes of FBI evidence that delayed execution of McVeigh???? Maybe FBI has been trying to catch this John Doe all this time and just didn't tell us?
--buffyt in #123
Why? Go with what your eyes tell you. If you think they look alike, fine. But it's silly to decide that they look alike based on someone else's opinion. To me they look like two different people.
Hard to tell them apart, isn't it?
According to the Chicago Sun-Times this morning, Padilla was in Afghanistan and Pakistan in the early 90's.So not only was he out of prison in time for OKC, he was also a shiny new graduate of an Al Quaida training camp.
Agreeing with you (Again !!!)
RE:Southhack:....The really interesting connection is that Terry Nichol's ex-wife is named Lana Padilla...
I think that is her current husband's last name, the one she left Terry for back in 1988-89. Couldn't find the previous husbands name for sure - she had two sons prior to Joshua - Terry's son.
At any rate, here is yet another possible tangent to the whole mess, or it could be that Nichols trips to the Phillipines to pickup his mailorder bride, found a bigger, easier bank account to tap, as well as supply direction for his and McVeigh's hate of the govmnt.
REBELS WITH A CAUSE, Part Four: An Ex-Wife's Suspicions In The OKBOMB Case.
By J.D. Cash with Jeff Holladay.
Shortly after the Oklahoma City bombing on April 19, 1995, federal investigators publicly speculated in a New York Times story that bombing suspects Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were somehow connected to the Midwestern bank robbery spree.
Terry Nichols' ex-wife, Lana Padilla, mentions several times in her book, "By Blood Betrayed," that she suspects Michols and McVeigh were involved with the gang. A reliable source familiar with the investigation confirmed that admitted co-conspirator Michael Fortier told the FBI that ex-army buddy Tim McVeigh said in February 1995 that he (McVeigh) was going to Colorado to join "The Order."
Confirming the re-emergence of "The Order", a search of the Columbus, Ohio, "safehouse" of Peter Langan yielded a videotape made by gang members for recruiting purposes. That eveidence, along with statements by a former friend of Langan and Guthrie, supports the notion that the Midwest Bank Bandits had indeed formed a new "Order".
Appearing on the video with a black knit ski mask pulled down across his face, Langan explained that his "army" is made up of a number of cells that function independently but with common goals.
And in what may or may not be a coincidence, that video tape-- completed around January, 1995-- warns that federal buildings may have to be bombed and that civilian casualties should be expected.
Lanagan asserted that his group is dedicated to the eradication of federal "whores" and all non-white and non-Christian peoples. Holding up a book that Timothy McVeigh sold at gunshows around the country, Langan tells potential recruits to read "The Turner Diaries" to better understand the coming revolution.
Also during the show-and-tell session, Langan displays a copy of "The Silent Brotherhood" and recomends it for the authors' detailed account of Bob Mathews' "Order."
Expected to be a key witness for the government in the upcoming trial of Commander Pedro is fellow who was once considered a close friend of the professed revolutionary-- Shawn Kenny of Cincinnati, Ohio. He provided the FBI the tip that led to Guthrie's and Langan's arrests last January.
According to court transcripts at the Stedeford trial in Des Moines, Iowa, Kenny told prosecutors that he met with Langan at a Christian Identity meeting in 1991. Describing his close relationship with Guthrie and Langan, Kenny explained to the court that he had accompanied the pair when they cased banks in Ohio and armored cars in Arkansas.
Kenney said Langan boasted that his gang was modeled after the group founded by Robert Mathews-- "The Order."
Beyond these links, and those in Lana Padilla's account in her book, is there any solid evidence that McVeigh and /or Nichols had any associations with gang members? Or that they received any of the stolen $250,000?
The Oklahoma City federal grand jury's final report concluded that the Oklahoma City bombing was financed by a gun robbery in Arkansas on November 5, 1994. Yet, federal authorities have said that all the components for the alleged bomb were already purchased or stolen by the date of the Arkasas robbery.
Moreover, witnesses have placed McVeigh hundreds of miles from Arkansas on the date of the crime. (Nichols' attorneys won't discuss whether their client has a similar alibi.)
Perhaps the most pointed and pertinent question though, is, how McVeigh and Nichols could have supported themselves and yet traveled so extensively during 1994 and 1995.
Records indicate that Nichols and his wife traveled to the Phillipines on numerous occasions prior to the bombing. And telephone calling card and motel registrations show that McVeigh and Nichols, sometimes together but often independently, crisscrossed the United States on a regular basis in the year before the Oklahoma City bombing.
All of these trips suggest that the pair required substantial sources of funds-- funds that their spotty employment records and gun show business would not likely fully explain.
Moreover, the telephone and motel reords show an inexplicable pattern: Of the 12 bank robberies that happened before the bombing, McVeigh's whereabouts are unknown for a few days BEFORE and AFTER 11 of those heists.
There is yet another suggestive event revealed by Lana Padilla about her ex-husband Terry Nichols. She told federal investigators that a few days after her ex-husband went on a November, 1994, trip to the Phillipines, she checked a Las Vegas storage locker rented by Terry Nichols.
She said it contained more than $60,000 in silver bullion-- along with wigs and masks. And the same week, she also later told investigators, she discovered a bag containing $20,000 that Nichols had taped to the back of her kitchen utensil drawer.
When Richard Guthrie was alive, there was a tantalizing possibility that the puzzle might fall into place. But since his death, attention has shifted to any testimony Kevin McCarthy-- another of the alleged Midwest Bank Bandits-- might provide.
His testimony could possibly be the nexus between the Aryan Republican Army and the McVeigh-Nichols clique.
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