Posted on 06/10/2002 7:30:38 AM PDT by Dales
Breaking now. Details shortly
Liz has the threads on this, I think, and maybe will show up and post links.
One such sympathizer might be Ramsey Clark, the former Attorney General for the Lyndon Johnson administration. In 1992, Clark founded the International Action Center, which enjoys the continuing support of the ex-Trotskyist, pro-Stalinist Workers World Party. While the original teachings of Karl Marx are decidedly atheistic, Clark sees a natural alliance. "Islam has probably a billion and a half adherents today. And it is probably the most compelling spiritual and moral force on earth today. (source). "Islam is the best chance the poor of the planet have for any hope of decency in their lives. It is the one revolutionary force that cares about humanity..." (source)
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They've already had the 'experts' on Fox News discussing it.
My money, if we get hit with a radiological device, is on theft of a domestic high-energy radioactive source used in medicine or food-processing (irradiation) and its covert exposure in an area with lots of people. That would kill the user and Al Qaeda is short on trained people willing to die that way, so it isn't likely. But it would be the same MO as 9/11 expedient use of hijacked civilian equipment as ersatz weapons of mass destruction, and avoids the necessity of having to import anything massive, bulky and susceptible to detection."
""Dirty bombs are pretty much a myth." A myth? I don't think so. Yes they are indeed very hard to make, bulky causing logistical problems and if done properly detectable. However, there is enough data out there to kill any myth. Yes one can build an RDD even with low level rad. Exploding the devise is subjective, there are many ways to do such. You are correct about the domestic theft of a rad sources.
That's 8,500 A MONTH!!! This is like playing Russian roulette.
Incredible isn't it? It's like 9/11 never happened. This is one of reasons why our elected officials in Washington will be held accountable if America suffers more terrorist attacks. Apparently they would rather turn us into a police state and expose the citizens of this land to more terrorism than offend Muslim immigrants.
The forms also show that Mr. Jackson's Citizenship Education Fund, his primary tax-exempt group, accepted a $50,000 donation from Kevin Ingram, a convicted criminal and the former head of the mortgage-backed securities desks at Goldman Sachs and Deutsche Bank.
Ingram — friends with Mr. Jackson for several years — last year pleaded guilty to federal money-laundering charges related to Pakistani arms deals. He is in federal prison.
While the cynic in me says they're not smart enough to pull something like that off.
That's 8,500 A MONTH!!! This is like playing Russian roulette.
Incredible isn't it? It's like 9/11 never happened.
That's right. This is being completely ignored, just like our open border "free for all"!
In my humble opinion, further terror attacks are inevitable. Other than adding another layer to the federal alphabet soup list of law enforcement agencies, what has been done?
You truly get what you pay for.
Plus, how do you know the nice blonde girl isn't married to a Muslim, who decided to take the next flight due to "business reasons?" How do you know that the 5-year old girl didn't accept a toy from a shopkeeper in the airport? How do you know that the granny isn't carrying a birthday present from the granddaughter's nice, polite boyfriend, whom she thinks is Israeli but is actually Egyptian? How do you know they can't disguise themselves as grandmothers?
If I were al Quaeda, I would have begun with the Arabs and held the real sleepers in reserve.
As someone who has a last name that is often considered hispanic although I am not, as someone who is the grandfather of a child that is 1/2 hispanic, and as someone who is an uncle to several children with a chinese last name, yes I would still call someone judging citizenship by last name as a bigot.
...Also, because he recently confessed, which apparently caused the change in status.
At least, out of 380-something comments, there are only a few tinfoil hats on this thread. There will always be some few who feel that whatever the government does, it does it wrong.
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Sabertooth, please read post 429.
Absolutely not!
Elderly white females are especially dangerous.
Certainly everyone must remember the infamous case of... of... er... Well surely there has been at least one? (Pleading) Come on! Help me out here!
The next day, Alert Global Media, Inc., publishers of Money Laundering Alert, reported that Ingram "pled guilty on August 28 to money laundering conspiracy as part of an agreement [plea bargain] with the U.S. government, which will drop other charges and receive Ingram’s testimony against two co-defendants from Egypt and Pakistan.” Some published reports say that both of the other defendants were from (current U.S. ally) Pakistan.
"Bin Laden has long-standing contacts with senior officials [of Pakistan]...," said Andrew Pearce of the Rand Institute in Washington. The Times of India also reported on June 17, 2001 that one of three Pakistani middlemen working illegally with Ingram asked undercover agents about the chances of obtaining components for nuclear weapons.
Earlier (July 7) Associated Press reported that "Kevin Ingram, 42, an investment counselor at the World Trade Center, was indicted June 28 on three counts of trying to conceal at least $350,000 and one count of violating the Arms Export Act."
"Ingram allegedly laundered $100,000 and $250,000 for federal agents, both times taking a 9 percent cut before being asked to launder the $2.2 million," according to court papers examined by the New York Post in a June 15, 2001 report.
AP added that "Ingram is also named in two other counts...for trying to launder $2.2 million in illegal arms sales. Ingram, out on $250,000 bond, faces a maximum of 100 years in prison if convicted of all charges."
Arrested with Ingram were two New Jersey-based Pakistanis who had offered to make a partial payment for the arms "in the form of heroin," also according to both AP and the New York Post.
A September 29, 2001 Bloomberg News/St. Louis Post Dispatch report revealed that Ingram had angered his judge in July by failing to disclose his Swiss bank account. Bloomberg reported that the Swiss account contained $1,086,000 in cash and 75,800 shares of Carver Bancorp, Inc. worth $650,000.
"He was afraid of the implications, and he just panicked," attorney Richard Lubin told U.S. Magistrate Judge Ann E. Vitunac at a bail hearing on July 10. Vitunac raised Ingrams’s bond to $1.25 million and ordered him jailed two days later.
Curiously, however, given the terrorism that has transpired, federal agents refused to divulge the name of the country that would have received the arms according to court papers examined by the New York Post and others. However, the documents confirmed that the defendants "referred to their foreign arms buyer...as a well-known, former military official who wanted to partially pay for the weapons with heroin."
On June 15, 2001, the New York Post, reported that experts said the most likely buyers connected to the former Deutschebank securities trader and the two Pakistanis were current U.S. ally Pakistan or Osama bin Laden.
The Associated Press reported on 12/1/01 that Ingram had been sentenced to 18 months plus two years probation and a $20,000 fine on the money laundering charges in this case. All other charges were dropped in the plea bargain. AP quoted Ingram as saying at his sentencing hearing, “I made a horrible mistake and I did something wrong. I’m very sorry about it, sorry for my family.” Ingram’s sentence will likely be served at a minimum security facility in Fairton, New Jersey.
Interesting confirmation of the U.S. government’s familiarity with banking operations connected to terrorist activities was revealed in an 11/16/01 AP story by Catherine Wilson. In describing events in a Florida prosecution of Egyptians connected to Ingram’s case she wrote, “Numerous promised wire transfers never arrived, but there were discussions of foreign bankers taking payoffs to move the money to purchase weapons into the United States, said [federal] prosecutor Rolando Garcia.” This is yet another clear indication that intelligence agencies routinely monitor banking transactions in terrorist-related cases. It has not been disclosed whether Ingram’s plea bargain produced testimony in this case
In spite of these revelations, no reporter or government official has asked or disclosed how many times Ingram had laundered money or completed arms shipments before he was finally nabbed. The extensive array of military hardware in the possession of the Taliban and al Q’aeda beg this question.
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